The Terriers March...is it really a Morley arrangement?

[Trapdoor2]

I'm keying in "Terriers' March" by Sanders Papworth and I have two slightly different versions. What I believe to be TBB No. 846 vs MS. The MS appears in the Music Library here...under Joe Morley (along with the published TBB 486 2nd) and the published 1st (presumably TBB 846) is under Sanders Papworth.

The published 2nd states, "'arranged by JOE MORLEY". There's nothing about the published 1st being an arrangement. It simply states, "Sanders Papworth." The MS says nothing about Morley being the arranger, it simply shows up in Morley files (here and the Phil Spiers' files).

I started with the MS (I thought it was the only version available)...but quickly found discrepancies in the rhythms, especially in the B part where there is a repeated triplet figure...which really doesn't work (sounds odd too). I took some pains to try to sort it out, but I had to get rid of the triplets to make it sound "right". After some time, I decided to go look for a different version...and found a copy of the 1st under "Sanders Papworth" here in the library...the copy has no source (it is cut off) but it looks like something from TBB and is similar in appearance to the TBB 846 2nd (and other TBB pieces).

So, I started comparing the MS to the published version. After some study, I think the MS is just somebody's copy (probably a copy of a degraded copy) of TBB 846. The differences are minimal and I can easily see where trying to sort out a degraded copy might lead to those differences.

I now believe the MS is not a Morley arrangement at all and neither is the published 1st. However, the 2nd is probably legitimately Morley (as it claims).

I certainly can't prove my conjecture...but I'm standing on it until it collapses. ;-)

[Jody Stecher]

I'm looking at the Library version and it does look like it is from Turner's Banjo Budget. I'm assuming that is what TBB stands for. In this version the triplets seem to make sense. I wonder what the title means. Terriers marching would be as chaotic as herding cats but not as chaotic as attempting to get a gang of dachshunds to march or to do anything coordinated. 

But maybe "terriers" refers to Irish laborers as in "Drill ye Tarriers Drill"  (?)

Sanders Papworth sounds like a made-up name so it must be a real one. 

[Richard William Ineson]

The Territorial Army, often called 'The Terriers' was rebranded as the Army Reserve in 2013, is the part-time volunteer force supporting the British Army. Reservists (aged 18–43) train in evenings/weekends, typically committing 27 days annually for pay, training, and potential mobilization.

Jody Stecher said:

I'm looking at the Library version and it does look like it is from Turner's Banjo Budget. I'm assuming that is what TBB stands for. In this version the triplets seem to make sense. I wonder what the title means. Terriers marching would be as chaotic as herding cats but not as chaotic as attempting to get a gang of dachshunds to march or to do anything coordinated. 

But maybe "terriers" refers to Irish laborers as in "Drill ye Tarriers Drill"  (?)

Sanders Papworth sounds like a made-up name so it must be a real one. 

[Richard William Ineson]

Part 'B' contains an arrangement of the French National Anthem 'La Marsellaise' and the popular marching song from WW1, 'It's a Long Way to Tipperary' both of these sound a bit odd on the playback, the Ms. probably needs a bit of tidying up.

[Joel Hooks]

I will scan the full score after dinner this evening, but until then I hope this quick image of the title sheet clears things up a bit.

Regarding the MS, that does not match any of the Morley handwriting I have seen (and, unfortunately I have seen more than I ever should have).

[Trapdoor2]

Thanks Joel! I'll now use TBB 846 confidently as a Morley arrangement!

[Jody Stecher]

Oh!   Not pooches after all. 

Richard William Ineson said:

The Territorial Army, often called 'The Terriers' was rebranded as the Army Reserve in 2013, is the part-time volunteer force supporting the British Army. Reservists (aged 18–43) train in evenings/weekends, typically committing 27 days annually for pay, training, and potential mobilization.

Jody Stecher said:

I'm looking at the Library version and it does look like it is from Turner's Banjo Budget. I'm assuming that is what TBB stands for. In this version the triplets seem to make sense. I wonder what the title means. Terriers marching would be as chaotic as herding cats but not as chaotic as attempting to get a gang of dachshunds to march or to do anything coordinated. 

But maybe "terriers" refers to Irish laborers as in "Drill ye Tarriers Drill"  (?)

Sanders Papworth sounds like a made-up name so it must be a real one. 

[Trapdoor2]

I've got it all keyed in. It has some nuances that I think are lost on the banjo. Dotted crochet w/quaver, 2-voice measures vs unvoiced, undotted crochet w/quaver measures. The resulting sound should be slightly smoother for the former, slightly bouncer for the latter. With the shortness of the banjo's sustain, the difference is just a tad subtle for my old cloth-ears,

The transition from 6/8 to C (4/4) for "The Marseillaise" isn't bad...but the transition from the 6/8 interlude to "Tipperary" (2/4) is pretty jarring if read straight. I'd take a breath between!

[Joel Hooks]

Added:

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