"Yes and no.
From reading the noted patents, I would say that Temlett did not "copy" Dobson's 1867 patent. His system appears to be much closer from a design standpoint to the end-result ZB as built by Cammeyer. Frankly, I think…"
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Recently, I bought this zyther/banjo from an estate sale. It is alleged to be from 1900. I do not know the maker and is in a desperate need of repair that I am willing to do. It previous owner did a bad job on it. I would love to share pictures of it before I took it apart and afterwards.
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Recently, I bought this zyther/banjo from an estate sale. It is alleged to be from 1900. I do not know the maker and is in a desperate need of repair that I am willing to do. It previous owner did a bad job on it. I would love to share pictures of it before I took it apart and afterwards.
If anyone could help me to upload these picture I would deeply appreciated.
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New bridge Reily Baker banjo 1890
Really loved that old tiny bridge but it was producing a mute tone on the first string due to how wide the string slots were. Gap under the bridge, top wasn't level. Quite a few issues but it felt great. Action was perfect, string spacing perfect for me, height of bridge felt great too, even though its a fraction of the height of modern bridges. So I just bought a cheap two leg bridge, was farr too tall, so I cut the legs off to get it nearer the size I wanted. Sanded down the top with a…
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"Yep, likely composed for banjo and arranged for other instruments as Eno was primarily a banjoist and guitarist.
I'll post this later, I have the British C notation version, and I might have the A notation, but I don't remember."
At A Colored Tea Party (A March For The Cake)..1900..Paul Eno.
I took this arrangement from a piano score, I was unable to ascertain if it's ever been arranged for banjo in the past but in my opinion it's a worthy addition to the banjo repertoire. The original score was in Bb/Eb but C/F works better on…See More
"So we are starting to circle back around to my original point of all of this.
Henry Dobson develops a design for the "closed back banjo" in or about 1867 which covers that rim in sound chamber design. Over the years he…"
"Dear Jody,
I wrote you a very nice reply but alas, when I tried to send, it disappeared into cyberspace! (told you I was a complete duffer in this respect!) Not only that, but I couldn't send anything to anyone, nor could I open any…"
"Jake: to reply to a comment in an ongoing conversation, look at the bottom of the post to which you intend to reply. You will see a blue right-pointing arrow and to its right you'll see the word "Reply". Click there. A "box"…"
"Thanks Jody for your reply. Unfortunately I am completely clueless when it comes to today's tech. If I've erred again, I'm sorry.
Best Wishes,
Jake."
"I was not kidding. I didn't know what AD meant.
Jake please do not use the comment function in replying to something written in a conversation. Please add your comment to the thread. It's too confusing and people have to click in…"
"Jody, you're kidding me, aren't you? 'AD' is how Cammeyer was usually referred to by those around him at the time, and stands for 'Alfred Davies' (often misspelled as 'Davis'). He was still alive…"
"Hi Carrie!
For some reason I missed your question on Music Hall artifacts. Alas, not a sausage! But I did get a birthday prezzie from daughter Naomi and Grandson -a book on The Great Vance (recently published and very difficult to obtain…"
"Although I didn't say as much, I did include Alfred Cammeyer in the following, "Nevertheless his writings,(Sharpe's ) like every other source of banjo history are useful but have to be viewed with caution and reference to…"
"Thank you, Joel!
The description in the provisional patent is quite specific for the suspensory nature of the ZB, including the configuration of the perch pole. What we get, in hindsight (and IMHO), is that the ideas which were to become the ZB…"
"Hi Joel, I've always regarded zither banjos as being American in origin, Cammeyer brought an already, clearly fully developed, zither banjo with him when he arrived in the UK in 1888. This particular banjo came into the possession of Len…"
"I'll try this link: Here is Temlett's patent, no artwork…"
"In the March 1959 Issue of the BMG Mac McNaughton rehashes the 1869 patent as being the first with Dobson improving upon it.
For what it is worth, Henry's 1867 patent does describe a "sound board" on the back-- closed…"
"People get hung up on exceptions. First, that banjo, while claimed to be from Cammeyer, is no marked and the date+ association is the fabrication of the seller. Second, exceptions prove the rule. There is extant examples of every…"
"I would say that banjo is a hybrid; it is neither a regular banjo or a zither-banjo. It may even be that the neck was once attached to an open back pot and the zither-banjo pot once had a standard zb neck. The tailpiece seems to be intended for soft…"
"LOL. I think that the lesson to be learned is "never" and "always" are pretty strong words. The banjo is an assemblage of parts which may be easily exchanged and/or manufactured. Even so, I still would include the tunnel 5th as a…"
"Teed's 1862 patent drawing indeed does not show an enclosed back. He is often quoted as introducing the closed back...
However, if you carefully read the text of his patent (which I just did), the text refers to a "sound board", which…"
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