George Morris

[Brett Lowe]

Hello Everyone,

Here's a recording which you might also enjoy...

https://youtu.be/upoazUcU-_U?si=kYcxG9_6gLeE-ZIH

[Joel Hooks]

Hi Brett, as I commented on the video, this is not "The Blackthorns", not even close.  But it is a great solo and I wish I had the score for whatever it is as I like it. Thank you for sharing it!

You mentioned "the book", do you mean "The Banjo on Record?"  If that is the book, yeah, it is full of errors and problems and is not to be trusted.  

[Jody Stecher]

I think that schelm is the German word for a rogue or scoundrel.  Schelmen is likely to mean roguish or as Joel as said about The Banjo On Record, "not to be trusted."     As far as I know, there has never been an entirely reliable reference book, including dictionaries and encyclopedias.   Joel, what percentage of The Banjo On Record would you say is unreliable? 

Joel Hooks said:

Hi Brett, as I commented on the video, this is not "The Blackthorns", not even close.  But it is a great solo and I wish I had the score for whatever it is as I like it. Thank you for sharing it!

You mentioned "the book", do you mean "The Banjo on Record?"  If that is the book, yeah, it is full of errors and problems and is not to be trusted.  

[Joel Hooks]

Don't know.  Here is the problem, in this situation I have the notation and the recording.  I can listen to the recording and read the notation and find that they are completely different, but the things I cannot compare I cannot trust. 

When the ruler is broke you can't trust any of the measurements. 

Basically, I don't use that book at all.

Jody Stecher said:

I think that schelm is the German word for a rogue or scoundrel.  Schelmen is likely to mean roguish or as Joel as said about The Banjo On Record, "not to be trusted."     As far as I know, there has never been an entirely reliable reference book, including dictionaries and encyclopedias.   Joel, what percentage of The Banjo On Record would you say is unreliable? 

Joel Hooks said:

Hi Brett, as I commented on the video, this is not "The Blackthorns", not even close.  But it is a great solo and I wish I had the score for whatever it is as I like it. Thank you for sharing it!

You mentioned "the book", do you mean "The Banjo on Record?"  If that is the book, yeah, it is full of errors and problems and is not to be trusted.  

[Jody Stecher]

I see what you mean. Mostly the book gives recording dates and personnel. Comments suggesting the common identity of two different titles are incidental. I have enjoyed perusing the book.  I don't know if a definitive account of banjo recordings is possible as players such as Vess Ossman would record a piece and the company would give the release an identifying number and would make a certain number of copies and when these sold out they'd bring him back to record the same piece and the company would give the new release the same number. It was something like a theatrical play. Each night it's a different performance of the same play. But in the case of these old banjo recordings the sessions would not be on successive nights but many months apart. I have found the book useful.  But gosh if the dates are unreliable... I dunno...

Joel Hooks said:

Don't know.  Here is the problem, in this situation I have the notation and the recording.  I can listen to the recording and read the notation and find that they are completely different, but the things I cannot compare I cannot trust. 

When the ruler is broke you can't trust any of the measurements. 

Basically, I don't use that book at all.

Jody Stecher said:

I think that schelm is the German word for a rogue or scoundrel.  Schelmen is likely to mean roguish or as Joel as said about The Banjo On Record, "not to be trusted."     As far as I know, there has never been an entirely reliable reference book, including dictionaries and encyclopedias.   Joel, what percentage of The Banjo On Record would you say is unreliable? 

Joel Hooks said:

Hi Brett, as I commented on the video, this is not "The Blackthorns", not even close.  But it is a great solo and I wish I had the score for whatever it is as I like it. Thank you for sharing it!

You mentioned "the book", do you mean "The Banjo on Record?"  If that is the book, yeah, it is full of errors and problems and is not to be trusted.  

[Joel Hooks]

Gosh, I wish I knew what this piece actually is, I like it.