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Hello. New member from Philadelphia in the US. I've written numerous books of guitar history, am a columnist for Vintage Guitar Magazine, and am a presenter at the annual Banjo Gathering. If you…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by Mike Bostock Oct 11, 2022.
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"Hi Joel, I was on my phone and juggling work earlier. My apologies to you. I completely missed your intended humour. In the frame of mind I was in at lunchtime I thought I’d been slapped with a wet fish lol.
Im interested to see the English…"
"Hey Mike,
I don't know what to tell you. I have tried sending it to the email attached to your BHO account, which you can't get.
Then I sent it to the AOL account that, I guess, did not accept the attachment. So I just sent it…"
"Hi Joel, if you sent to my email address linked to my BHO account I have daftly lost the details and now can't access it. Could you resend to my regular email address: mikebostock@aol.com? Apologies for the inconvenience. Please let me know if…"
"As Mike said earlier, there are advertisements in British Newspapers of teachers offering both American and English methods and which seem to be from around the 1880s/90s. Although prospective pupils would presumably have been aware of the essential…"
"Mike, did you get my email, and did all come through okay? ;-)"
"Scordatura - to move away from normal tuning.
Can I politely and humorously (in very English fashion)enquire if this includes a retuning to Gumbo Chaff when the OP is “Banjo in England”? ;-)"
"1848- very good. But still useless and not to be trusted. At one time I did track down the very plates used in this to other books. Howe published some collections for generic treble clef instruments. I also found some in…"
"Surely "discord" is as bad as False Tuning. Surely "mistuning" is worse than false tuning. It condemns the use and user of such tunings just as "misbehaving" condemns the behavior and behaver to whom the epithet is…"
"Apologies: it is "Complete". Published in 1848 by Howe. In 1850 Howe sold his plates and copyrights to Ditson, who changed the publisher's marks but reproduced Howe's book otherwise identically, along with the rest of…"
"Jody, Scordatura means discord or mistuning not "false tuning". I know you don't care for that term but it is correct when applied to a banjo tradition of using a "standard" set of intervals, a tradition that we have…"
"The Complete Preceptor for the banjo was published in 1851. While I am happy to let y'all have the discussion on English guitars and banjo tuning, The Complete Preceptor is a Complete pile of nothing useful. "Gumbo Chaff"…"
"OK, now we've got two Americans ( I presume) divided by a common language.! Mike W had written "What he means, and what I present an elaborate proof of, is that the 4 strings of the banjo are the same as the first 4 strings of the…"
"There would need to be a consistent pattern of evidence to credibly attribute the American 1850 Complete Preceptor for the Banjo tuning to guitar influence in the 1840's white uptake American context. My guess (and that's all it is) is…"
"The full tuning of the 6-course English guittar was C E GG cc ee gg, with intervals of M3rd, m3rd, 4th, M3rd, m3rd, from 6 to 1. (There were some 5-course versions, I believe.) Jefferson’s term is “chords,” not…"
"Joel, would it be possible to post or send me scans of this English publication Christy's Minstrels Banjo Tutor? I have a US published Christy's American songster from 1850 and there are literally dozens of English Christy's Songsters…"
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