Comment by Jody Stecher on October 15, 2011 at 14:58

I have a JE Dallas z-b that is bound in similar decorated metal. I also have a Cammeyer Patent, the same model as yours but it is not bound. Interesting banjo you have. For a while I thought "patent", a word which appears on both heel and headstock  meant that a patent had been applied for or something like that. But that's the name of the model.

Comment by Neil Angus Goodwin on October 15, 2011 at 21:03

Interesting!, I would like to see pics of both of those, I cant find the JE Dallas by googling, are you sure that Patent is the model name? I assumed it does stand for the unique design of his hollow rim and resonator back (is your patent like that ie hollow?), it was a common term in the late 19th and early 20th century such as patent medicine or patent hair oil and it usually seemed to signify a unique design, also there is a patent number on the banjo, see pic P1000405, with also a seemingly unusual address. the hollow rim can be seen in pic P1000401.

 

Comment by thereallyniceman on October 15, 2011 at 21:32

Neil, check these links out:

 

Dallas  and

Patent

 

Comment by Neil Angus Goodwin on October 15, 2011 at 21:43

Ian thankyou. What a really nice man.

The Dallas is very pretty.

The Cammeyer Patent pics dont show weather the rim is hollow as on mine, The L section metal hoops on my one, from an engineering viewpoint, would give a lot of strength to an otherwise fragile hollow walled rim, which is why I am surprised that it does not seem to be on any other Cammeyer  pictures I have seen.

Comment by Jody Stecher on October 18, 2011 at 5:12

What you may have there is a Cammeyer Patent Colonial.   The metal binding is to keep it from coming apart in the tropical colonies. So I'm told.

Comment by David Wade on October 18, 2011 at 6:11

There was/is no such thing as a Dallas "Patent". Jody has a presentation Dallas which is very close to the one I have - mine was Franco Piper's - the idea of the "colonial" is there I'm sure, Piper was in South Africa entertaining the troops around the time of the second Boer War,

Comment by marc dalmasso on October 18, 2011 at 7:05

Thanks for the explanations ; for a while , I thought "patent" had another meaning :

Pat tend  to play better than éric .......for instance

Comment by David Wade on October 19, 2011 at 5:49

Careful Marc, you could be on dangrous ground!

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