Prize Banjo Instructor by Jean White - Classic-Banjo2024-03-29T08:36:24Zhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/prize-banjo-instructor-by-jean-white?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A159170&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOK, I have made an attempt to…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-11-27:2667446:Comment:1591702020-11-27T21:41:36.194ZTrapdoor2https://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
<p>OK, I have made an attempt to untangle this "Flying Cloud" oddity. I don't know why, it isn't really worth the effort. However, in the end, I ended up learning better how to enter tuplets into musescore. Yah, time not wasted...sure.</p>
<p>Cha's D'Albert composed "The Flying Cloud, A New Schottische" in 1855, it is a relatively simple piece, lies conveniently on the fiddle and after being reprinted in several "collections" (esp. Elias Howe's "Musicians Omnibus" in 1884) it passed into…</p>
<p>OK, I have made an attempt to untangle this "Flying Cloud" oddity. I don't know why, it isn't really worth the effort. However, in the end, I ended up learning better how to enter tuplets into musescore. Yah, time not wasted...sure.</p>
<p>Cha's D'Albert composed "The Flying Cloud, A New Schottische" in 1855, it is a relatively simple piece, lies conveniently on the fiddle and after being reprinted in several "collections" (esp. Elias Howe's "Musicians Omnibus" in 1884) it passed into tradition as a fun dance tune. A local fiddler used to play it on occasion (back in the 1980s) and I remember dancing Contras to it.</p>
<p>There are a couple of extant "Flying Cloud" banjo tunes, a march and a waltz (I think). They bear about as much resemblance to Mr. D'Albert's composition as this piece of (ahem) from the Prize Method. Frankly, I think they're early clickbait. "Oooh, it has Flying Cloud! Mom! Buy me this one!"</p>
<p>So, it is a train-wreck. Since the upper voice in the first two measures cannot be resolved with the lower voice (on the beats), the note values being wrong and then the tuplet values being simply whacko, I attempted to fix it basing everything on the rhythm of the lower voice. After the A part, the rest of the piece is straightforward, albeit mundane-tending-to-lunacy. The last part (F, I think) is atonal and well, just plain weird. I have no doubt this has never once been played by any student anywhere. Like Joel, two measures in and it is obviously a mess; better to find a sharp stick and let someone poke you with it.</p>
<p>Just for fun, I have included an mp3 of Mr. D'Albert's original, which I keyed in from the 1855 piano score I found in an online archive. It could easily become a nice little Classic Banjo tune...and as it never dips below G (above C), it might lay nicely on the Banjeaurine.</p>
<p>PS: The "Prize" version was converted to C-notation and plays in G...rather than the original E. Mr. D'Albert's composition was originally in C and F.</p>
<p></p> Well, if you want to learn pl…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-11-27:2667446:Comment:1591652020-11-27T11:38:27.170ZPär Engstrandhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/PaerEngstrand
<p>Well, if you want to learn playing tuplets, here's an App from an old teacher of mine:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tupletmusic.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://www.tupletmusic.com/</a></p>
<p>Of course, if the music is misprinted, no amount of feel for tuplets will be helpfull :-)</p>
<p>Well, if you want to learn playing tuplets, here's an App from an old teacher of mine:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tupletmusic.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">http://www.tupletmusic.com/</a></p>
<p>Of course, if the music is misprinted, no amount of feel for tuplets will be helpfull :-)</p> Jody, it is the committee tha…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-11-26:2667446:Comment:1593402020-11-26T06:01:32.043ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Jody, it is the committee that issues the prize from this tutor. </p>
<p>Jody, it is the committee that issues the prize from this tutor. </p> Yes, I was looking at "Buzz o…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-11-25:2667446:Comment:1590682020-11-25T23:31:31.363ZTrapdoor2https://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
<p>Yes, I was looking at "Buzz of the Wheel". Hot topic for 1880s was bicycles and there are a few classic banjo tunes with bicycle or "wheelmen" themes. Rosey's "Scorcher" comes to mind...<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Joel Hooks said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/prize-banjo-instructor-by-jean-white?xg_source=activity#2667446Comment159164"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I was waiting to see what you came up with. I could not get it to sound like…</p>
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<p>Yes, I was looking at "Buzz of the Wheel". Hot topic for 1880s was bicycles and there are a few classic banjo tunes with bicycle or "wheelmen" themes. Rosey's "Scorcher" comes to mind...<br/> <br/> <cite>Joel Hooks said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/prize-banjo-instructor-by-jean-white?xg_source=activity#2667446Comment159164"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I was waiting to see what you came up with. I could not get it to sound like anything but a mess.</p>
<p>The Yankee doodle is fun.</p>
<p>I was excited about "Texas Ranger's Waltz" but upon playing it was disappointed. "Buzz of the Wheel" is a great <em>title</em> of a tune as well.</p>
<p>It seems the only thing this book did well was yank pieces out of earlier tutors.</p>
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</blockquote> Probably not. I never heard…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-11-25:2667446:Comment:1590672020-11-25T20:05:14.851ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>Probably not. I never heard of the Committee. What is it?<br/> <br/> <cite>Richard William Ineson said:</cite></p>
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<p>Probably not. I never heard of the Committee. What is it?<br/> <br/> <cite>Richard William Ineson said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> Oh, the "Spanish Fandango" is…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-11-25:2667446:Comment:1592532020-11-25T19:13:57.728ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Oh, the "Spanish Fandango" is nearly note for note of the earliest sheet music I know of that was published for banjo.</p>
<p>Oh, the "Spanish Fandango" is nearly note for note of the earliest sheet music I know of that was published for banjo.</p> I was waiting to see what you…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-11-25:2667446:Comment:1591642020-11-25T19:12:28.734ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>I was waiting to see what you came up with. I could not get it to sound like anything but a mess.</p>
<p>The Yankee doodle is fun.</p>
<p>I was excited about "Texas Ranger's Waltz" but upon playing it was disappointed. "Buzz of the Wheel" is a great <em>title</em> of a tune as well.</p>
<p>It seems the only thing this book did well was yank pieces out of earlier tutors.</p>
<p>I was waiting to see what you came up with. I could not get it to sound like anything but a mess.</p>
<p>The Yankee doodle is fun.</p>
<p>I was excited about "Texas Ranger's Waltz" but upon playing it was disappointed. "Buzz of the Wheel" is a great <em>title</em> of a tune as well.</p>
<p>It seems the only thing this book did well was yank pieces out of earlier tutors.</p> LOL, "Flying Cloud" is a hot…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-11-25:2667446:Comment:1591632020-11-25T17:31:43.403ZTrapdoor2https://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
<p>LOL, "Flying Cloud" is a hot mess. Mis-marked tuplets over two voices. I can't get them to align because musescore insists they work out mathematically. Jean White had to have been hiding behind the door when math skills were handed out (I didn't see him but I was hiding behind the same door).</p>
<p>The first measure has 14 beats, subdivided by two rhythmically identical bars of 7 beats each. The first is bracketed and marked "3" (triplet) and the second is bracketed and marked "5"…</p>
<p>LOL, "Flying Cloud" is a hot mess. Mis-marked tuplets over two voices. I can't get them to align because musescore insists they work out mathematically. Jean White had to have been hiding behind the door when math skills were handed out (I didn't see him but I was hiding behind the same door).</p>
<p>The first measure has 14 beats, subdivided by two rhythmically identical bars of 7 beats each. The first is bracketed and marked "3" (triplet) and the second is bracketed and marked "5" (quintuplet). This is not to even mention that the notes are drawn as 1/32 notes.(demisemiquaver for you Brits). This structure occurs throughout the piece but the tuplet marking varies from 'missing' to 3 to 6...none of which I can make sense of.</p>
<p>The second measure makes a bit more sense as it actually has a bar that <strong><i>is</i></strong> a septupolet. Apart from the wrong note values, and the fact that the bottom voice doesn't really align as shown...</p>
<p>There's some other nonsense going on. One measure (three staves from the end) of 8, 1/16'th notes has a fifth-string flag which has a "6" attached. Perhaps it is a wandering tuplet...but it has 8 notes, straight time for that measure.</p>
<p>I do like Ian's syllabic method. The septupolets got me looking for 7-syllable words to make the attempt. Google suggested words like "pivalylbenzhydrazine" or "<span>hydrochlorothiazide". Those make my tongue hurt. "E</span>ncyclopedia" made me start singing the tune from the Mickey Mouse Club (I'm old, ok!?)<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cy2jWJtO3lE?wmode=opaque" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
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<p>..but they didn't use it as a septupolet and it actually speaks more to Jody's points.</p>
<p>I may be stuck with the <span>inevitability and unattainability of underrepresentation for </span><span class="None" lang="en" xml:lang="en"><a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/zoomusicology#English" title="zoomusicology">zoomusicology!</a></span></p> Jody, do you have any influen…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-11-25:2667446:Comment:1592522020-11-25T15:13:40.565ZRichard William Inesonhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/RichardWilliamIneson351
Jody, do you have any influence with the Committee?
Jody, do you have any influence with the Committee? I'm from the 'kick and rush'…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-11-24:2667446:Comment:1590652020-11-24T20:47:28.836ZRichard William Inesonhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/RichardWilliamIneson351
I'm from the 'kick and rush' school of banjo playing, we don't bother with niceties like this, we just do it. I aim to get 40/50% of the notes right, some people aren't as fussy as me.
I'm from the 'kick and rush' school of banjo playing, we don't bother with niceties like this, we just do it. I aim to get 40/50% of the notes right, some people aren't as fussy as me.