Louisa Dewhurst's Banjo School - Classic-Banjo2024-03-28T23:37:17Zhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/louisa-dewhurst-s-banjo-school?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A191808&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIs this about me and my Dobso…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2022-11-16:2667446:Comment:1918152022-11-16T22:05:23.753ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Is this about me and my Dobsons are con artists thing? Because they were, and we have period accounts calling them out on it. Also period accounts about their phony contests and questionable "teaching" practices which were designed with over promise and under deliver with a constant extraction of extra money from the mark... I mean student. </p>
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<p>I have examples of them just selling the same stuff over and over, in a different order with a different title. </p>
<p>If the other is…</p>
<p>Is this about me and my Dobsons are con artists thing? Because they were, and we have period accounts calling them out on it. Also period accounts about their phony contests and questionable "teaching" practices which were designed with over promise and under deliver with a constant extraction of extra money from the mark... I mean student. </p>
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<p>I have examples of them just selling the same stuff over and over, in a different order with a different title. </p>
<p>If the other is about Brewster-- he was a crook too and stole from Stewart. And there is extant evidence to back up SSS' claims. <br/> <br/> <cite>Mike Bostock said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/louisa-dewhurst-s-banjo-school?xg_source=activity#2667446Comment191812"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>From a research perspective we also have to avoid neatly ‘summarising’ individuals according to our own modern opinion. I was having a conversation this afternoon about another 19th century banjo-related individual with a public profile. One could (too) easily make similar negative summary in relation to this person. But the contemporary human context is nearly always more complex and nuanced. Add to that the crucial element of our cultural distance and not having a complete picture. In regard to the individual we were discussing this afternoon there are equally evidential factors that could be used to ‘summarise’ more kindly in mitigation.</p>
<p>Summarising and opinion are contaminated instruments. </p>
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</blockquote> Thanks Mike - yes, I was inte…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2022-11-16:2667446:Comment:1916982022-11-16T21:34:55.925Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>Thanks Mike - yes, I was interested as had not heard of her before and wondered if she was a Vaudeville singer/banjo performer that I hadn't heard of. The index list shows the usual popular tunes that appear across tutors but also some self-penned tunes by Dewhurst. </p>
<p>Thanks Joel for attaching the pdf for The Husking Party Reel - and have added the names to my list which is now creeping to two pages!</p>
<p>Thanks Mike - yes, I was interested as had not heard of her before and wondered if she was a Vaudeville singer/banjo performer that I hadn't heard of. The index list shows the usual popular tunes that appear across tutors but also some self-penned tunes by Dewhurst. </p>
<p>Thanks Joel for attaching the pdf for The Husking Party Reel - and have added the names to my list which is now creeping to two pages!</p> Here is one I recently scanne…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2022-11-16:2667446:Comment:1918092022-11-16T20:10:15.350ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Here is one I recently scanned by Myra Marie Cobb:</p>
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<p>Here is one I recently scanned by Myra Marie Cobb:</p>
<p><a href="https://archive.org/details/husking-party-reel-myra-marie-cobb" target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/husking-party-reel-myra-marie-cobb</a></p> Edith Secor:Eri King Fantasia…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2022-11-16:2667446:Comment:1918082022-11-16T19:58:54.637ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p><strong>Edith Secor:</strong><br></br>Eri King Fantasia</p>
<p>Golden Rod Reel</p>
<p>Mignon Waltz</p>
<p>Zephyr Schottische</p>
<p>Barcarolle Venetienne</p>
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<p><strong>Ethel G. Dahl</strong></p>
<p>Dance Fantastique</p>
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<p>Both of these women are American and these pieces were published by S. S. Stewart in A notation. </p>
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<p>The theme of the next ABF rally is "Stewart publications" and I have been going through and cleaning up my spreadsheets on all the music he…</p>
<p><strong>Edith Secor:</strong><br/>Eri King Fantasia</p>
<p>Golden Rod Reel</p>
<p>Mignon Waltz</p>
<p>Zephyr Schottische</p>
<p>Barcarolle Venetienne</p>
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<p><strong>Ethel G. Dahl</strong></p>
<p>Dance Fantastique</p>
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<p>Both of these women are American and these pieces were published by S. S. Stewart in A notation. </p>
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<p>The theme of the next ABF rally is "Stewart publications" and I have been going through and cleaning up my spreadsheets on all the music he published (and seeing what I don't have but might be able to find).</p> I remember reading about the…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2022-11-16:2667446:Comment:1918912022-11-16T18:23:16.798Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>I remember reading about the dodgy Dobsons and thinking it would make a good drama series! The book caught my eye as it was by a female banjo player. Not many publications or compositions written by female players even though it was a popular instrument. There are more women who composed ragtime piano pieces but not much for the banjo. I've kept a list of tunes by female players - I can't remember if I've already posted it here - there are two by Madeline Rossiter in the library and…</p>
<p>I remember reading about the dodgy Dobsons and thinking it would make a good drama series! The book caught my eye as it was by a female banjo player. Not many publications or compositions written by female players even though it was a popular instrument. There are more women who composed ragtime piano pieces but not much for the banjo. I've kept a list of tunes by female players - I can't remember if I've already posted it here - there are two by Madeline Rossiter in the library and would be great to find the others.</p>
<p><strong>Elizabeth Buchanan:</strong></p>
<p>Four in Hand </p>
<p><strong>Edith Fielden:</strong></p>
<p>Mi Amor</p>
<p>Bonita (John Alvey Turner’s Banjo Budget 656)</p>
<p><strong> </strong><strong>Florrie Chester</strong>:</p>
<p>Chester March (John Alvey Turner’s Banjo Budget 500)</p>
<p> <strong>Annie Clara Barfoot:</strong></p>
<p>Our Jack Polka (John Alvey Turner’s Banjo Budget 267)</p>
<p><strong> </strong><strong>Alice Walkinshaw:</strong></p>
<p>American Jig</p>
<p>Essex Jig</p>
<p> <strong>Carlotta Rudge:</strong></p>
<p>Carioca Waltz</p>
<p> <strong>Augusta Hiscox:</strong></p>
<p>Idle Moments Waltz (John Alvey Turner’s Banjo Budget 344)</p>
<p> <strong>Madeline Rossiter: </strong></p>
<p>Romping Rossie (available on Classic Banjo Ning)</p>
<p>The Douglas Cakewalk (available on Classic Banjo Ning)</p>
<p>Flares and Flashes (march)</p> That is not a "book" but just…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2022-11-16:2667446:Comment:1918072022-11-16T14:14:40.121ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>That is not a "book" but just a multi use title sheet. The publisher would underline or stamp something next to the title of the piece included. </p>
<p>Interesting that the words were by Eddie Dobson. I have found the Dobson family to be that of scammers. And like most family of scammers their story ends with tragedy. The senior, Henry, made his fortune through real-estate (and I get the impression that he was a slumlord). It was this real-estate money that financed their phony…</p>
<p>That is not a "book" but just a multi use title sheet. The publisher would underline or stamp something next to the title of the piece included. </p>
<p>Interesting that the words were by Eddie Dobson. I have found the Dobson family to be that of scammers. And like most family of scammers their story ends with tragedy. The senior, Henry, made his fortune through real-estate (and I get the impression that he was a slumlord). It was this real-estate money that financed their phony contests where they gave themselves the prizes.<br/> <br/> <cite>carrie horgan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/louisa-dewhurst-s-banjo-school?xg_source=activity#2667446Comment192045"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Yes, very ironic but that's inflation for you!!</p>
<p>Found a link to another book: Louisa Dewhurst's Songs: <a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://www.loc.gov/item/sm1884.10173/" target="_blank">https://www.loc.gov/item/sm1884.10173/</a><br/> <cite>Jody Stecher said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> She was associated with Henry…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2022-11-16:2667446:Comment:1918042022-11-16T14:07:44.040ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>She was associated with Henry Dobson in NYC.<br></br><br></br></p>
<p>These "simple methods" are basically worthless beyond a curiosity. Sometimes they contain some interesting opinions on banjos and playing, but for the most part they were published to separate people from their money.</p>
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<p>I'll let old Henry show you what they are about...…</p>
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<p>She was associated with Henry Dobson in NYC.<br/><br/></p>
<p>These "simple methods" are basically worthless beyond a curiosity. Sometimes they contain some interesting opinions on banjos and playing, but for the most part they were published to separate people from their money.</p>
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<p>I'll let old Henry show you what they are about...</p>
<p><a href="https://archive.org/details/original-diagram-method-for-the-banjo-henry-c-dobson" target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/original-diagram-method-for-the-banjo-henry-c-dobson</a></p>
<p>According to this book, you should be able to play all the popular tunes proficiently in a few minutes. Also, according to this book, if you want to know how to play the banjo then you should buy one of his other books. The important thing is to just keep buying his books!</p>
<p>Regarding "value" of banjo books/tutors/methods... When I have paid for them it is usually between $10 and $25. I am usually the only bidder on ebay auctions. Once I have them in hand, they get scanned and shared on the Internet Archive. </p>
<p>There are a few book dealers that think they have gold and have placed huge price tags on them. They don't sell. We are starting to get to the point that there are very few books that have not been scanned and posted. Should that drive up the price of these rare books... nah. You have to have more than one person willing to spend money.</p>
<p></p> Yes, very ironic but that's i…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2022-11-16:2667446:Comment:1920452022-11-16T08:21:34.394Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>Yes, very ironic but that's inflation for you!!</p>
<p>Found a link to another book: Louisa Dewhurst's Songs: <a href="https://www.loc.gov/item/sm1884.10173/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">https://www.loc.gov/item/sm1884.10173/</a><br></br> <cite>Jody Stecher said:…</cite></p>
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<p>Yes, very ironic but that's inflation for you!!</p>
<p>Found a link to another book: Louisa Dewhurst's Songs: <a href="https://www.loc.gov/item/sm1884.10173/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://www.loc.gov/item/sm1884.10173/</a><br/> <cite>Jody Stecher said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/louisa-dewhurst-s-banjo-school?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A192042&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2667446Comment192042"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It's ironic that the price of nearly $900 USD is being asked for by a business called "Poor Man's Books".</p>
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</blockquote> It's ironic that the price of…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2022-11-15:2667446:Comment:1920422022-11-15T21:28:27.140ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>It's ironic that the price of nearly $900 USD is being asked for by a business called "Poor Man's Books".</p>
<p>It's ironic that the price of nearly $900 USD is being asked for by a business called "Poor Man's Books".</p>