"Classical Banjo" by Al Jeffery. - Classic-Banjo2024-03-29T07:57:54Zhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/classical-banjo-by-al-jeffery?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A140067&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYeah, I use "cobwebs" for str…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-11-05:2667446:Comment:1400672019-11-05T01:16:32.033ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Yeah, I use "cobwebs" for strings. They are still pretty loose tuned up even for stretching. </p>
<p>BTW, they stretch out in a few hours. They are only tuned up for a moment when they start to stretch.</p>
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<p>Yeah, I use "cobwebs" for strings. They are still pretty loose tuned up even for stretching. </p>
<p>BTW, they stretch out in a few hours. They are only tuned up for a moment when they start to stretch.</p>
<p></p> OK, I just remembered you use…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-11-04:2667446:Comment:1400662019-11-04T23:34:01.694ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>OK, I just remembered you use very light strings. They will withstand tuning that high with no problem. But tuning even a half step high will cause some of the strings to break immediately if the scale is 27 inches or more and the strings are from a set of Chris Sands Heavy or Nylgut or Clifford Essex gut. Turn, turn, turn, SNAP! The unbroken strings will have the same affect on the banjo neck of a 19th Century banjo built for gut at A tuning as a set of steel strings will have. I don't…</p>
<p>OK, I just remembered you use very light strings. They will withstand tuning that high with no problem. But tuning even a half step high will cause some of the strings to break immediately if the scale is 27 inches or more and the strings are from a set of Chris Sands Heavy or Nylgut or Clifford Essex gut. Turn, turn, turn, SNAP! The unbroken strings will have the same affect on the banjo neck of a 19th Century banjo built for gut at A tuning as a set of steel strings will have. I don't do the archery thing but I agree with Marc that an extreme pull and release is significantly different from applying extreme tension for 8 hours or so. Keep doing that an you'll end up with a warped neck. But not with light gauge nylon. That is safe, I agree. <br/> <cite>Joel Hooks said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/classical-banjo-by-al-jeffery?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A140168&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment140168"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>When I install a fresh set of strings, instead of pulling on them, I stretch or "set" them by raising them all 1.5 steps above standard tuning. The strings stretch overnight and by the next day they have stretched themselves into nearly being in tune to standard C. I touch up the tuning and that is where they stay.</p>
<p>I would think the old William Tell bow pull would put MUCH more tension in the banjo than my method.</p>
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</blockquote> Yah, I pull the heck out of m…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-11-04:2667446:Comment:1398782019-11-04T22:13:21.611ZTrapdoor2https://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
<p>Yah, I pull the heck out of mine...much more tension than 1.5 steps. However, it is only momentary tension and I use my tensionating super-powers (experience) to keep from breaking them. I'm sure there is some molecular modification going on when nylon is stressed to some optimal point. Some chemist or physicisisist probably knows what's going on with that. No worries. As long as it works for you, keep doing it.</p>
<p>Manual stretching simply keeps one from waiting overnight for the strings…</p>
<p>Yah, I pull the heck out of mine...much more tension than 1.5 steps. However, it is only momentary tension and I use my tensionating super-powers (experience) to keep from breaking them. I'm sure there is some molecular modification going on when nylon is stressed to some optimal point. Some chemist or physicisisist probably knows what's going on with that. No worries. As long as it works for you, keep doing it.</p>
<p>Manual stretching simply keeps one from waiting overnight for the strings to settle in. While I'd hate to replace one on stage, I can get them settled pretty quickly. BTW, a new set of steel strings needs to be stretched in the same way...they just settle in faster than nylons.</p> When I install a fresh set of…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-11-04:2667446:Comment:1401682019-11-04T21:31:13.740ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>When I install a fresh set of strings, instead of pulling on them, I stretch or "set" them by raising them all 1.5 steps above standard tuning. The strings stretch overnight and by the next day they have stretched themselves into nearly being in tune to standard C. I touch up the tuning and that is where they stay.</p>
<p>I would think the old William Tell bow pull would put MUCH more tension in the banjo than my method.</p>
<p>When I install a fresh set of strings, instead of pulling on them, I stretch or "set" them by raising them all 1.5 steps above standard tuning. The strings stretch overnight and by the next day they have stretched themselves into nearly being in tune to standard C. I touch up the tuning and that is where they stay.</p>
<p>I would think the old William Tell bow pull would put MUCH more tension in the banjo than my method.</p> You tune b flat Eb Bb D F?!!…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-11-04:2667446:Comment:1399812019-11-04T21:20:26.389ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>You tune b flat Eb Bb D F?!!?? That's 1.5 steps above pitch. I'm thinking you might mean half steps. Even then that is applying extreme tension. Especially on a banjo with a scale of 27 inches or more.</p>
<p>String musicians all over the world use many tunings. It doesn't matter if the music is designated as folk, classical, pop, or something else. Nearly all the musicians retune. This enriches the tonal pallete. Each tuning produces its own unique sound. It'is almost like a different…</p>
<p>You tune b flat Eb Bb D F?!!?? That's 1.5 steps above pitch. I'm thinking you might mean half steps. Even then that is applying extreme tension. Especially on a banjo with a scale of 27 inches or more.</p>
<p>String musicians all over the world use many tunings. It doesn't matter if the music is designated as folk, classical, pop, or something else. Nearly all the musicians retune. This enriches the tonal pallete. Each tuning produces its own unique sound. It'is almost like a different instrument because of the change of timbre. In my opinion music that uses only one tuning will be expressively relatively impoverished compared to musics that employ a variety of tunings. </p>
<p>I advocate enrichment of timbre.<br/> <br/> <cite>Joel Hooks said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/classical-banjo-by-al-jeffery?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A140064&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment140064"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Nope, I don't pull or artificially stretch my strings. When I did that in the past I found intonation problems.</p>
<p>I install. Then I raise each string 1.5 steps above pitch. The next day they are almost in tune. I touch up and they are ready to go.</p>
<p>I am perfectly happy with the string intervals staying the same. In the off chance that I am playing in a situation where I have to go back and forth with elevated bass (like my little concert where I played all 13 Bolsover Gibbs pieces) I used two banjos.</p>
<p>Since I am not a performer I don't need to do showmen stunts like explaining that an out of tune banjo will not affect my playing-- I then frow de banjo out ob tune by twisting the pegs.</p>
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</blockquote> Cool. Funnily, I played "La P…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-11-04:2667446:Comment:1401672019-11-04T20:29:21.689ZTrapdoor2https://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
<p>Cool. Funnily, I played "La Paloma" with the orchestra a couple years ago (viola). I really enjoyed it. I guess I need to work that one up...maybe re-arrange the guitar parts for CB.</p>
<p>I sent you a list of other stuff offline.</p>
<p>Cool. Funnily, I played "La Paloma" with the orchestra a couple years ago (viola). I really enjoyed it. I guess I need to work that one up...maybe re-arrange the guitar parts for CB.</p>
<p>I sent you a list of other stuff offline.</p> Yes.. well I am interested in…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-11-04:2667446:Comment:1401662019-11-04T20:25:10.270ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Yes.. well I am interested in them but I doubt I will play any of the twiddly tremolo pieces. On the other hand I did play Gypsy Rondo at the last rally and have kept it under the fingers as I like to play it. I should post a video!</p>
<p>I tried to play it for the banjorett video but I just could not make the jumps and hold onto the thing.</p>
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<p>I also have a nice copy of his A notation tutor, cloth bound with foil stamping on the cover, that was sent to me in a pile of tutors…</p>
<p>Yes.. well I am interested in them but I doubt I will play any of the twiddly tremolo pieces. On the other hand I did play Gypsy Rondo at the last rally and have kept it under the fingers as I like to play it. I should post a video!</p>
<p>I tried to play it for the banjorett video but I just could not make the jumps and hold onto the thing.</p>
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<p>I also have a nice copy of his A notation tutor, cloth bound with foil stamping on the cover, that was sent to me in a pile of tutors that came with my Gariepy-FVE.</p>
<p>In bold below is what I have...</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>PS-- if you decide to mail this to me feel free to include other stuff not already scanned. I can mail return or bring to the Spring Rally. I'll be happy to provide a med flat rate box label via email.</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Trapdoor2 said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/classical-banjo-by-al-jeffery?xg_source=activity#2667446Comment139980"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><em>There's</em> your problem! You can't aspire to be a folk banjoist if yer in tune... ;-)</p>
<p>Was it you looking for the Farland stuff? I finally found a stack of it:</p>
<p>Dussek, "La Matinee" Rondo (1st, 2nd & Piano)</p>
<p><strong>Hayden, Gypsy Rondo (1st, Piano) in the transposed vesion but with no piano</strong></p>
<p>Yradier, La Paloma (1st, 2nd, Guitar) two copies.</p>
<p>La Castenara (1st, 2nd, Guitar)</p>
<p>Dancla, 5th Air, varied (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Paderewski, Menuet, Op. 14 (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Schumann, Traumeri and Romanze (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Rossini, Overture, "Wm. Tell" (1st, Piano)</p>
<p><strong>Farland, "Tripping Through The Meadow", solo.</strong></p>
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</blockquote> There's your problem! You can…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-11-04:2667446:Comment:1399802019-11-04T20:10:37.839ZTrapdoor2https://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
<p><em>There's</em> your problem! You can't aspire to be a folk banjoist if yer in tune... ;-)</p>
<p>Was it you looking for the Farland stuff? I finally found a stack of it:</p>
<p>Dussek, "La Matinee" Rondo (1st, 2nd & Piano)</p>
<p>Hayden, Gypsy Rondo (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Yradier, La Paloma (1st, 2nd, Guitar) two copies.</p>
<p>La Castenara (1st, 2nd, Guitar)</p>
<p>Dancla, 5th Air, varied (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Paderewski, Menuet, Op. 14 (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Schumann, Traumeri and Romanze…</p>
<p><em>There's</em> your problem! You can't aspire to be a folk banjoist if yer in tune... ;-)</p>
<p>Was it you looking for the Farland stuff? I finally found a stack of it:</p>
<p>Dussek, "La Matinee" Rondo (1st, 2nd & Piano)</p>
<p>Hayden, Gypsy Rondo (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Yradier, La Paloma (1st, 2nd, Guitar) two copies.</p>
<p>La Castenara (1st, 2nd, Guitar)</p>
<p>Dancla, 5th Air, varied (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Paderewski, Menuet, Op. 14 (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Schumann, Traumeri and Romanze (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Rossini, Overture, "Wm. Tell" (1st, Piano)</p>
<p>Farland, "Tripping Through The Meadow", solo.</p> Nope, I don't pull or artific…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-11-04:2667446:Comment:1400642019-11-04T19:28:54.879ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Nope, I don't pull or artificially stretch my strings. When I did that in the past I found intonation problems.</p>
<p>I install. Then I raise each string 1.5 steps above pitch. The next day they are almost in tune. I touch up and they are ready to go.</p>
<p>I am perfectly happy with the string intervals staying the same. In the off chance that I am playing in a situation where I have to go back and forth with elevated bass (like my little concert where I played all 13 Bolsover Gibbs…</p>
<p>Nope, I don't pull or artificially stretch my strings. When I did that in the past I found intonation problems.</p>
<p>I install. Then I raise each string 1.5 steps above pitch. The next day they are almost in tune. I touch up and they are ready to go.</p>
<p>I am perfectly happy with the string intervals staying the same. In the off chance that I am playing in a situation where I have to go back and forth with elevated bass (like my little concert where I played all 13 Bolsover Gibbs pieces) I used two banjos.</p>
<p>Since I am not a performer I don't need to do showmen stunts like explaining that an out of tune banjo will not affect my playing-- I then frow de banjo out ob tune by twisting the pegs.</p> "Scordatura" presumes that th…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-11-04:2667446:Comment:1398742019-11-04T17:07:48.734ZTrapdoor2https://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
<p>"Scordatura" presumes that there is a "true" tuning. You can't tune false if there isn't a true.</p>
<p>All of the orchestral strings have accepted 'true' tunings, thus scordatura can be applied.</p>
<p>There are around 65 documented (based on recordings) tunings for the 5-string banjo...inventing a new one is just a twist of the peg away. Some genre (BG, Classic) have base tunings which could be considered 'true' but once you're into the folk milieu, all bets are off...no base 'true' tuning…</p>
<p>"Scordatura" presumes that there is a "true" tuning. You can't tune false if there isn't a true.</p>
<p>All of the orchestral strings have accepted 'true' tunings, thus scordatura can be applied.</p>
<p>There are around 65 documented (based on recordings) tunings for the 5-string banjo...inventing a new one is just a twist of the peg away. Some genre (BG, Classic) have base tunings which could be considered 'true' but once you're into the folk milieu, all bets are off...no base 'true' tuning exists. I have sat in jam sessions with three banjoists playing a tune in G...all three tuned differently (it was wonderful).</p>
<p>Meh. We play what we play. I like the sound of the term 'scordatura' but I use 'tunings'.</p>
<p>I think your skinny strings are your tuning problem. ;-)</p>
<p>I'm not a performer...but I stretch the crap out of my strings when I put a new set on. I put them on, tune them up and then pull each one like Robin Hood...you can feel when they're almost at their limit. Retune, re-stretch, lather, rinse and repeat...until they'll hold tune...any tuning. I'm sure you do this also...but maybe not as, um, ham-handedly as I do?</p>
<p>Just pull 'em till they break and then back off a wee a bit. ;-)</p>
<p>Sounds like the book is much like any other I own. Two good pieces is better than some I have!</p>