CE Special (wood-hoop) - question - Classic-Banjo2024-03-29T13:00:29Zhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/ce-special-wood-hoop-question?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMarc, I am very confident tha…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-07-02:2667446:Comment:1441352020-07-02T13:05:16.976ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Marc, I am very confident that the Roman numerals are manufacturing control numbers and have nothing to do with dating. It has to do with keeping different parts together during the various processes of manufacturing. </p>
<p>Example-- if you are building banjos in batches of 10 at a time you would have parts marked I to X for each individual banjo. For the next batch of banjos you would repeat.</p>
<p>Regarding the tailpiece, the "Professional" tailpiece (as found on Ian's Special) was…</p>
<p>Marc, I am very confident that the Roman numerals are manufacturing control numbers and have nothing to do with dating. It has to do with keeping different parts together during the various processes of manufacturing. </p>
<p>Example-- if you are building banjos in batches of 10 at a time you would have parts marked I to X for each individual banjo. For the next batch of banjos you would repeat.</p>
<p>Regarding the tailpiece, the "Professional" tailpiece (as found on Ian's Special) was introduced sometime between August of 1920 and March of 1925.</p>
<p>Since we are missing those issues of the BMG I don't know the year, but with access to those issues we could likely narrow it down to the month that the Professional tailpiece was introduced (as well as the Professional banjo model).</p>
<p>I've done the a similar thing with SSS banjos-- for example, the Stewart Common Sense tailpiece was introduced in June of 1891. The main difference is that the Stewart CS tailpiece could have been bought and put on older banjos. </p>
<p>The CE Professional tailpiece requires drilling and tapping the stretcher hoop or bezel. This would still leave the end bolt that would need to be replaced with a flush mounted bolt. Because of that, it is unlikely that Professional tailpieces were commonly retrofitted to older CE banjos.</p>
<p>Carrie's Special predates 1920-1925, Ian's Special postdates 1920-1925.</p>
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<p></p> This might be an opportune ti…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-07-02:2667446:Comment:1440352020-07-02T11:48:40.995ZKeith Wilsonhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/KeithWilson
<p>This might be an opportune time to mention the problem with dating Clifford Essex Banjos, with the Badges,</p>
<p>which were affixed to the Perch Pole / dowel. The Clifford Essex Co. name was changed in 1919 , to</p>
<p>Clifford Essex and Son. They obviously had many Badges left and continued to use up the stock.</p>
<p>This makes dating an instrument precisely almost impossible. The only model which can be used as a</p>
<p>guide, is the Paragon. This was introduced to their line in…</p>
<p>This might be an opportune time to mention the problem with dating Clifford Essex Banjos, with the Badges,</p>
<p>which were affixed to the Perch Pole / dowel. The Clifford Essex Co. name was changed in 1919 , to</p>
<p>Clifford Essex and Son. They obviously had many Badges left and continued to use up the stock.</p>
<p>This makes dating an instrument precisely almost impossible. The only model which can be used as a</p>
<p>guide, is the Paragon. This was introduced to their line in 1924 and my example which is Serial number 53,</p>
<p>a tenor was probably made in 1925. This till has the Clifford Essex Co. badge fitted.</p>
<p>When they moved to Shaftesbury Avenue, in 1937, is when the new badge starts to be used with their</p>
<p>NEW address.</p>
<p>Keith </p> My peghead and fretboard look…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-07-02:2667446:Comment:1441342020-07-02T11:17:16.415Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>My peghead and fretboard looks like ebony - there is no reddish/brown colour. Yes, a different tailpiece also.</p>
<p>I think the bridge is original but I may change it to one with wider string spacing as the fretboard is wider up-the-neck. What bridges do you guys use?</p>
<p>My peghead and fretboard looks like ebony - there is no reddish/brown colour. Yes, a different tailpiece also.</p>
<p>I think the bridge is original but I may change it to one with wider string spacing as the fretboard is wider up-the-neck. What bridges do you guys use?</p> That is interesting Marc! My…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-07-02:2667446:Comment:1440342020-07-02T09:45:25.753Zthereallynicemanhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/thereallyniceman
<p>That is interesting Marc! My CE Woodhoop has a "Rosewood" peghead and fingerboard that is a red/brown colour.</p>
<p>Carrie's CE looks as though the fingerboard is ebony or ebonised, also the tailpiece is different to mine.</p>
<p>Mine:</p>
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<p>That is interesting Marc! My CE Woodhoop has a "Rosewood" peghead and fingerboard that is a red/brown colour.</p>
<p>Carrie's CE looks as though the fingerboard is ebony or ebonised, also the tailpiece is different to mine.</p>
<p>Mine:</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/6519209878?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/6519209878?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-center"/></a></p> Carrie , the wood of the neck…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-07-02:2667446:Comment:1437112020-07-02T08:14:11.809Zmarc dalmassohttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/marcdalmasso
<p>Carrie , the wood of the neck is Maple :</p>
<p>BTW , do the wood covering the head of the neck has a kind of red color or reflects ?</p>
<p>if Yes , your banjo could be from the same serie than these......</p>
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<p>Carrie , the wood of the neck is Maple :</p>
<p>BTW , do the wood covering the head of the neck has a kind of red color or reflects ?</p>
<p>if Yes , your banjo could be from the same serie than these......</p>
<p><a href="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2667446%3ABlogPost%3A87433&commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A87571">https://classic-banjo.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2667446%3ABlogPost%3A87433&commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A87571</a></p> "Bug Bags": good title for a…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-07-02:2667446:Comment:1437872020-07-02T01:15:15.974ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>"Bug Bags": good title for a Banjo Solo.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>carrie horgan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/ce-special-wood-hoop-question?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A143783&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment143783"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p> May be they packed their bags when they heard me playing banjo :)…<br></br> <br></br></p>
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<p>"Bug Bags": good title for a Banjo Solo.<br/> <br/> <cite>carrie horgan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/ce-special-wood-hoop-question?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A143783&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment143783"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p> May be they packed their bags when they heard me playing banjo :)<br/> <br/></p>
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</blockquote> Thanks Ian - I just tried tha…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-07-01:2667446:Comment:1437832020-07-01T19:28:45.628Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>Thanks Ian - I just tried that and no sign of any dust. May be they packed their bags when they heard me playing banjo :)<br></br> <br></br> <cite>thereallyniceman said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/ce-special-wood-hoop-question?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A143705&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2667446Comment143705"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Carrie,</p>
<p>That is a nice maple CE Special...just like mine! From what I can see the edges of…</p>
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<p>Thanks Ian - I just tried that and no sign of any dust. May be they packed their bags when they heard me playing banjo :)<br/> <br/> <cite>thereallyniceman said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/ce-special-wood-hoop-question?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A143705&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2667446Comment143705"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Carrie,</p>
<p>That is a nice maple CE Special...just like mine! From what I can see the edges of the holes look so old that the beetles will have long since gone and died of old age! I suggest holding a hole over a piece of white paper and tapping the neck. If you get a pile of dust out of the hole it may still be active, but if you get nothing more than arm ache... they are long dead.</p>
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That is a nice map…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-07-01:2667446:Comment:1437052020-07-01T18:32:50.412Zthereallynicemanhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/thereallyniceman
<p>Hi Carrie,</p>
<p>That is a nice maple CE Special...just like mine! From what I can see the edges of the holes look so old that the beetles will have long since gone and died of old age! I suggest holding a hole over a piece of white paper and tapping the neck. If you get a pile of dust out of the hole it may still be active, but if you get nothing more than arm ache... they are long dead.</p>
<p>Hi Carrie,</p>
<p>That is a nice maple CE Special...just like mine! From what I can see the edges of the holes look so old that the beetles will have long since gone and died of old age! I suggest holding a hole over a piece of white paper and tapping the neck. If you get a pile of dust out of the hole it may still be active, but if you get nothing more than arm ache... they are long dead.</p> Hi Joel - I guess I could do…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-07-01:2667446:Comment:1437042020-07-01T18:21:08.645Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>Hi Joel - I guess I could do that. It's hard not to play with a new toy though.<br/> <br/> <cite>Joel Hooks said:</cite></p>
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<p>Hi Joel - I guess I could do that. It's hard not to play with a new toy though.<br/> <br/> <cite>Joel Hooks said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/ce-special-wood-hoop-question?id=2667446%3ATopic%3A143693&page=2#2667446Comment143782"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Put the banjo neck in a transparent plastic bag for a couple of months, you'll see some activity by then.</p>
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</blockquote> Put the banjo neck in a trans…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2020-07-01:2667446:Comment:1437822020-07-01T18:12:18.499ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>Put the banjo neck in a transparent plastic bag for a couple of months, you'll see some activity by then.</p>
<p>Put the banjo neck in a transparent plastic bag for a couple of months, you'll see some activity by then.</p>