Alternate picking (Queen of the Burlesque) - Classic-Banjo2024-03-29T14:34:28Zhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/alternate-picking-queen-of-the-burlesque?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A137832&xg_raw_resources=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noNot quibblesome, that's helpf…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-06-25:2667446:Comment:1379262019-06-25T17:27:54.466Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>Not quibblesome, that's helpful Jody. That makes sense. Thanks!</p>
<p>Not quibblesome, that's helpful Jody. That makes sense. Thanks!</p> To be clear, and not quibbles…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-06-25:2667446:Comment:1379742019-06-25T15:00:16.475ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>To be clear, and not quibblesome, though it may appear that way, using the index on the C would not be using the index "again". It would be the same stroke that played the previous string. Just drag it from string one to string two. It is a glissando, a glide, or to be really technical, a reverse glide. It does not feel like a new stroke to the player. It's the equivalent of dropping the thumb from string 4 to string 3, a common move in classic banjo playing. </p>
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<p>To be clear, and not quibblesome, though it may appear that way, using the index on the C would not be using the index "again". It would be the same stroke that played the previous string. Just drag it from string one to string two. It is a glissando, a glide, or to be really technical, a reverse glide. It does not feel like a new stroke to the player. It's the equivalent of dropping the thumb from string 4 to string 3, a common move in classic banjo playing. </p>
<p>If you truly made another new stroke on C with the index that *would* be wrong. Doing it that way would encourage the creation of a right hand move that would inhibit smooth playing at higher speeds. <br/> <br/> <cite>carrie horgan said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> Thanks for your input Tony. …tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-06-25:2667446:Comment:1381622019-06-25T14:15:11.863Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>Thanks for your input Tony. That was how I was approaching it but I was worried that hitting the C with the index again was 'wrong.' I like Ian's suggestion of playing the F to E with a snap (and in the next bar) the E to open D. Interesting suggestion regarding using a roll instead of the pinch on the opening chord. Just goes to show there are many ways of approaching this piece! </p>
<p>Thanks for your input Tony. That was how I was approaching it but I was worried that hitting the C with the index again was 'wrong.' I like Ian's suggestion of playing the F to E with a snap (and in the next bar) the E to open D. Interesting suggestion regarding using a roll instead of the pinch on the opening chord. Just goes to show there are many ways of approaching this piece! </p> Carrie,
QOTB has been in my r…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-06-24:2667446:Comment:1379712019-06-24T16:59:42.242ZTONY BRYANhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/TONYBRYAN
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Carrie,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">QOTB has been in my repertoire since forever and I went back to see how I got over the problem you mention. It seems I subscribe to Jody's suggestion of thumb on G, second on F, first on E, then slide the first over to C. Then it's back to G with the thumb. There is a similar first-finger sequence in the second bar. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Carrie,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">QOTB has been in my repertoire since forever and I went back to see how I got over the problem you mention. It seems I subscribe to Jody's suggestion of thumb on G, second on F, first on E, then slide the first over to C. Then it's back to G with the thumb. There is a similar first-finger sequence in the second bar. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Playing consecutive notes on adjacent strings with the first finger is one of those tricks that comes up again and again and it's well worth perfecting. Like frailing, it seems impossible at first, but you wake up one morning and it's like you never played any other way. The hardest part is controlling the speed as the temptation is to play the second note too soon. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Note that Eric plays the opening chord as a roll - it's not marked that way, but I was taught that four-note/four-string chords were played open every time using thumb, first, second <span style="text-decoration: underline;">and third</span> finger. That means that the second/middle finger becomes available to play the A, then it's a TMIT roll from G to G. Starting the first chord as a roll has all the RH fingers moving from the start and not closed up in a pinched chord. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I also agree with Jody that it's a good idea to break sections down into forward and backward rolls, particularly if you can use them to get the emphasis right. Some tunes, such as the third section of Jacko on Parade, are essentially proto-bluegrass and benefit from breaking them down into a series of bluegrass rolls. It's the only way I can ever remember how to play that piece as the music itself gives no hint about the RH fingering, and if you get the sequence wrong there is no way to recover. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">In short, there is no right way or wrong way to finger a banjo piece (the markings are often wrong), but if you are finding that what you are doing is difficult and complicated, you should be looking for another way of handling it. Or you have found a sequence that needs working at. That's the joy and the curse of the banjo: it's not an easy instrument to play at the best of times, but it's made more complicated by having so many possibilities for strings, frets and fingers. But, in the end, it's definitely worth the effort. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Regards</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Tony</span></p> Thank you Jody. I didn't know…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-06-14:2667446:Comment:1381372019-06-14T09:09:56.717Zthereallynicemanhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/thereallyniceman
<p>Thank you Jody. I didn't know that you could slow down Youtube videos like that! Very useful tip.</p>
<p>Thank you Jody. I didn't know that you could slow down Youtube videos like that! Very useful tip.</p> He's definitely using the mid…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-06-13:2667446:Comment:1381352019-06-13T22:14:18.944ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>He's definitely using the middle finger on the first string and then doing the snap to the next note before using the index on string 2. If you click on the little gear icon in the lower right corner of a youtube screen you can slow down a video. At quarter speed you can see the right hand movements slow enough to decipher. So that's what I did. No stroke on E and you can see the left hand fingers doing the snap from F to E. I've tried it that way now and I think it sounds better than the…</p>
<p>He's definitely using the middle finger on the first string and then doing the snap to the next note before using the index on string 2. If you click on the little gear icon in the lower right corner of a youtube screen you can slow down a video. At quarter speed you can see the right hand movements slow enough to decipher. So that's what I did. No stroke on E and you can see the left hand fingers doing the snap from F to E. I've tried it that way now and I think it sounds better than the forward reverse approach.</p>
<p>I think I have worked out why using the index for F is uncomfortable. The left hand fingers are going from right to left (fret 3 to fret 2) and the right hand fingers are going from left to right (index to middle). It hurts the brain a bit.</p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>thereallyniceman said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="https://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/alternate-picking-queen-of-the-burlesque?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A137832&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment137832"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hey Carrie, it looks like Eric Stefanelli uses a snap but I can't really see it clearly. What do you think? I tried Jody's reverse roll and that works fine when you get used to it too!</p>
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</blockquote> I tried it last night...I pre…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-06-13:2667446:Comment:1381342019-06-13T15:07:13.122ZTrapdoor2https://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/Trapdoor2
<p>I tried it last night...I prefer the snaps (which are my generic default anyway, seeing as how I play a lot of clawhammer and stroke style too).</p>
<p>Don't forget the G harmonic on the 5th string, 17th fret? It sounds out very clearly.</p>
<p>I tried it last night...I prefer the snaps (which are my generic default anyway, seeing as how I play a lot of clawhammer and stroke style too).</p>
<p>Don't forget the G harmonic on the 5th string, 17th fret? It sounds out very clearly.</p> That's a good video - I like…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-06-13:2667446:Comment:1379462019-06-13T13:20:56.376Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>That's a good video - I like the fact they are playing at a moderate pace. It's hard to tell whether a snap is used but I think a snap works well. Jody's tip about thinking of the hand motion as a forward roll is also helpful. I imagine the harmonic section is tricky in terms of landing at the right fret! I thought it might sound nice on my new zither banjo but it might be a challenge as it has a profusion of inlays and no side-dots so difficult to immediately locate positions…</p>
<p>That's a good video - I like the fact they are playing at a moderate pace. It's hard to tell whether a snap is used but I think a snap works well. Jody's tip about thinking of the hand motion as a forward roll is also helpful. I imagine the harmonic section is tricky in terms of landing at the right fret! I thought it might sound nice on my new zither banjo but it might be a challenge as it has a profusion of inlays and no side-dots so difficult to immediately locate positions up-the-neck! </p> Hey Carrie, it looks like Eri…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-06-13:2667446:Comment:1378322019-06-13T09:57:57.001Zthereallynicemanhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/thereallyniceman
<p>Hey Carrie, it looks like Eric Stefanelli uses a snap but I can't really see it clearly. What do you think? I tried Jody's reverse roll and that works fine when you get used to it too!</p>
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<p>Hey Carrie, it looks like Eric Stefanelli uses a snap but I can't really see it clearly. What do you think? I tried Jody's reverse roll and that works fine when you get used to it too!</p>
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</p> Thinking in new ways helps me…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2019-06-13:2667446:Comment:1378312019-06-13T02:08:01.083ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>Thinking in new ways helps me solve problems. Sometimes that approach works for other people. : -)<br></br> <br></br> <cite>carrie horgan said:</cite></p>
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<p>Thinking in new ways helps me solve problems. Sometimes that approach works for other people. : -)<br/> <br/> <cite>carrie horgan said:</cite></p>
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<p>I've always liked this tune - it has a kind of lovely lilting flow to it when played well. Hopefully I will be able to get it under my fingers!</p>
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