Anyone have a digital copy of "American Rondo" they're willing to share?

I was listening to it today and thinking it would be fun to play.

I think I can get a copy via the ABF but I thought I'd poll the forum first.

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Well, after doing some research, I find that this piece "American Rondo" was written by a Mr. Stuber as "American Rondo" but published by Clifford Essex as "Rondo" by H.L. Weaver.

The ABF does indeed have a copy, presumably published under the auspices of Mr. Stuber...but I have a copy of the CE sheet, published under murky circumstances and attributed to someone named H.L. Weaver, presumably to circumvent any copyright issues, etc.

So, cancel my request. I have the dots and all is well...carry on!

Is that Fred Stuber?  He was featured in the SSS journal and later became a ABF member and attend some rallies (I think).

Yes, Fred Stuber. He died very young (25) in 1906 so he couldn't have been an ABF member. Eli notes that he was a student of Armstrong and was associated with Otto Albrecht. He cut a couple of sides for Berliner in 1899 with Richard L. Weaver, who toured England in the teens and probably was Essex's source for the Rondo...who got his name wrong as H.L. Weaver. Go figure!

If you have that Journal, perhaps you can tell me if the music therein is an American publisher or a copy of the Essex... I suspect it is probably from an American publisher or manuscript.

I know you're in the process of moving, so no worries. I'll email the ABF and get a copy just for comparison's sake.

I wonder who I am thinking of?

Stuber shows up in a couple of issues (his photo at least).  If my memory is correct (different than before) I believe he is pictured holding a SSS with a extension fingerboard.  It is a later issue from the 90s and is from the Rochester collection.

I see if I can find it this evening.

I dunno. I got my info from a website dedicated to Larnie Cassedy http://www.larniecassedy.com/misc-videos/ , another interesting classic player.

The ABF's version is a Z.M. Bickford arrangement. I've already requested a copy so perhaps I can note the differences when it comes in.

There is a nice photo of him in the Aug. 1897 issue.  The photo I was thinking of was in the Feb. 1897.

There's another in the April/May '98.

I think he also wrote, "Creole Belles".

The copy of "Creole" I have is J. B. Lampe.

Check out the Player Biographies link at the top of the page, and you'll find the Fred Stuber bio, with photos.

Joel you are correct about JB Lampe's authorship for Creole Belles.

Marc, if you are interested,  I have the dots and tab for the Rondo 2nd, pub. by Clifford Essex.

Well...my research abilities failed me today on many levels. I do have "Creole Bells" by Lampe. I dunno where I saw it attributed to Stuber, if I did at all. Old age is creeping up on me!

Thanks Shawn, but I do have both parts (and piano) for the Rondo from Essex. I've got the A and B parts tabbed out already (for the 1st) and it seems somewhat simplified from the audio versions I have...not unexpected. Crazily, I never thought to look at the player bios right here at home...

I'm looking forward to seeing the Z.M. Bickford arrangement from the ABF.

There's an excellent video of Ian playing an arrangement of Creole Belles that we did a couple of years ago. The score is in the library....Steve.

Curiouser and curiouser...

I have received the ABF's "American Rondo" but it isn't the Z.M. Bickford arrangement, it was written by Fred Stuber, arranged by a "Chas. Corbeau"...and it is in A notation (pub. 1900 by O.H. Albrecht).

So, I've tabbed out both the Essex and the ABF versions and they're different in quite a few ways. Amazingly, I have recordings of both versions. Not unexpectedly, the ABF version is by Clarke Buehling from a vintage 1982 cassette tape I have. Also not unexpectedly, the Essex version is by Bert and Myrtle Torrance.

Also, not unexpected is that both performances do not hit the dots exactly...but very close. Also, the Essex version is marked "Vivace" (and boy, do the Torrances play it fast) and the ABF version is marked "Allegretto" (and Clarke plays it about there).

I'm at a loss to decide which arrangement I like better. Usually I prefer the closest to "original" but both arrangements are well done and I like both.

I have re-requested the Z.M. Bickford arrangement that is listed as having been published in the ABF newsletter...if I get it, I'll add it to the mix and see what happens.

I'll send TAB in soon (for both), I've got some fingering to work out. 

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