Weaver Banjo serial number? - Classic-Banjo2024-03-28T18:23:02Zhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/weaver-banjo-serial-number?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A126443&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noJem Bowkett said:
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<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jem Bowkett said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/weaver-banjo-serial-number?xg_source=activity#2667446Comment125598"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Photo…<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756132?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756132?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756175?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756175?profile=original" width="585"></img></a></p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Jem Bowkett said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/weaver-banjo-serial-number?xg_source=activity#2667446Comment125598"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Photo<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756132?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756132?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="721"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756175?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756175?profile=original" class="align-full" width="585"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756177?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756177?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="721"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756136?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756136?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="721"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756072?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/51756072?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" class="align-full" width="721"/></a>s, be interested in your opinion, Jem<br/> <br/> <cite>Richard William Ineson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/weaver-banjo-serial-number#2667446Comment125885"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I don't know what the number on your Weaver banjo means, I've had a few Weaver banjos with the year of manufacture stamped on them, usually on the perch pole/dowel stick, but occasionally on the top of the peghead - the Joe Morley Weaver sold on Banjo hangout some time ago was so marked. Dating Weaver banjos is difficult as he used more or less the same design over many years. There are differences in the shape of the heel and peghead and also in the metal ware. Weaver didn't make banjos for anyone else after 1906, so all the Weaver banjos made for Essex and others predate this. If you put a few more pictures of the banjo up we'll be able to tell you if it's early or late but that's about it really.</p>
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<p>It looks to be an early model judging by the nuts inside the hoop, by 'early' I mean that it could have been made any time between say c1885 and c1900 but it is impossible to be more exact. The 'A.Weaver Maker' mark is an early mark, the late banjos have the mark 'A.Weaver Maker London W.C.'</p>
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</blockquote> Correct except that it’s like…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2017-12-10:2667446:Comment:1269392017-12-10T18:31:43.159ZJohn Cohenhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JohnCohen
<p>Correct except that it’s likely 110-120 years old. </p>
<p>Correct except that it’s likely 110-120 years old. </p> so, to summarise, the number…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2017-12-10:2667446:Comment:1268372017-12-10T16:03:32.166ZJem Bowketthttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JemBowkett
<p>so, to summarise, the number on my banjo is the job no from the CE overhaul in the 60s, and the instrument is likely to date from the first 20yrs of the 20th century, so it's about 100 yrs old.</p>
<p>so, to summarise, the number on my banjo is the job no from the CE overhaul in the 60s, and the instrument is likely to date from the first 20yrs of the 20th century, so it's about 100 yrs old.</p> Weaver was still using those…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2017-12-08:2667446:Comment:1269342017-12-08T23:07:19.916ZJohn Cohenhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JohnCohen
<p>Weaver was still using those nuts in the Aughts, if not into the Teens. </p>
<p>Weaver was still using those nuts in the Aughts, if not into the Teens. </p> Marc....I was referring to my…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2017-12-05:2667446:Comment:1266402017-12-05T08:49:28.161Z3iv8pyyhxxoivhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/xn/detail/u_3iv8pyyhxxoiv
<p>Marc....I was referring to my CE Special XX as being 30-50 years old at the time I bought it in 1961. I would agree with you that the Weaver that is the subject of this thread is likely to be older than the Special XX.</p>
<p>Marc....I was referring to my CE Special XX as being 30-50 years old at the time I bought it in 1961. I would agree with you that the Weaver that is the subject of this thread is likely to be older than the Special XX.</p> it looks to be from the firs…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2017-12-05:2667446:Comment:1264462017-12-05T07:10:13.588Zmarc dalmassohttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/marcdalmasso
<p>it looks to be from the first series with these nuts . my guess is not 30-50 but 60 at least</p>
<p>it looks to be from the first series with these nuts . my guess is not 30-50 but 60 at least</p> I need to correct my recent p…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2017-11-30:2667446:Comment:1266362017-11-30T21:40:59.694Z3iv8pyyhxxoivhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/xn/detail/u_3iv8pyyhxxoiv
<p>I need to correct my recent post on this thread. The number stamped on my CE Special XX is 1463 not 1763. The "4" stamp is somewhat indistinct and I had misread it as a "7". Interestingly, I still retain the receipt from the CE Co. for my purchase of this banjo, dated Sept 29th. 1961. It cost £35 and was described, in A.P.Sharpe's handwriting, as "Clifford Essex XX Special banjo and case No. 1463" . Thus at that time, A.P.Sharpe (at least on this banjo), referred to the stamped no. on…</p>
<p>I need to correct my recent post on this thread. The number stamped on my CE Special XX is 1463 not 1763. The "4" stamp is somewhat indistinct and I had misread it as a "7". Interestingly, I still retain the receipt from the CE Co. for my purchase of this banjo, dated Sept 29th. 1961. It cost £35 and was described, in A.P.Sharpe's handwriting, as "Clifford Essex XX Special banjo and case No. 1463" . Thus at that time, A.P.Sharpe (at least on this banjo), referred to the stamped no. on the banjos he sold on the receipts he issued. One might thus infer that these nos. had some significance in the CE Co's records.....but what they meant appears to be uncertain. My guess is that my banjo was 30-50 years old when I bought it.</p> John Field bought his instrum…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2017-11-30:2667446:Comment:1263422017-11-30T16:50:19.801ZJem Bowketthttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JemBowkett
<p>John Field bought his instrument in 1961 from Earlham St marked 1763. Mine came from there later (circa 1965 - I have the receipt somewhere) with a lower number 1671 but it had just been refurbished. I wonder if CE have an archive of documents going back that far.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>marc dalmasso said:…</cite></p>
<p>John Field bought his instrument in 1961 from Earlham St marked 1763. Mine came from there later (circa 1965 - I have the receipt somewhere) with a lower number 1671 but it had just been refurbished. I wonder if CE have an archive of documents going back that far.<br/> <br/> <cite>marc dalmasso said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/weaver-banjo-serial-number?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A126437&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2667446Comment126443"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>i think these numbers are not repairs / restoration ' numbers but refurbish ' numbers and are not from the 50ths but from the 20ths or 30ths .</p>
<p>because these years were more " banjoïstics " ; and , when reading the BMG magazine , many reburbished ' banjos ( new vellum & strings , accessories or small repair ) were advertised in the "small advertisments " by the CE Co , which juste used to sell the new CE models to the banjo players of the period</p>
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</blockquote> i think these numbers are not…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2017-11-30:2667446:Comment:1264432017-11-30T08:05:10.341Zmarc dalmassohttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/marcdalmasso
<p>i think these numbers are not repairs / restoration ' numbers but refurbish ' numbers and are not from the 50ths but from the 20ths or 30ths .</p>
<p>because these years were more " banjoïstics " ; and , when reading the BMG magazine , many reburbished ' banjos ( new vellum & strings , accessories or small repair ) were advertised in the "small advertisments " by the CE Co , which juste used to sell the new CE models to the banjo players of the period</p>
<p>i think these numbers are not repairs / restoration ' numbers but refurbish ' numbers and are not from the 50ths but from the 20ths or 30ths .</p>
<p>because these years were more " banjoïstics " ; and , when reading the BMG magazine , many reburbished ' banjos ( new vellum & strings , accessories or small repair ) were advertised in the "small advertisments " by the CE Co , which juste used to sell the new CE models to the banjo players of the period</p> John.....You may well be corr…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2017-11-30:2667446:Comment:1264402017-11-30T00:27:50.000Z3iv8pyyhxxoivhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/xn/detail/u_3iv8pyyhxxoiv
<p>John.....You may well be correct, but I'd be interested in the evidence you have to show that the CE Co. numbered repairs and restorations in the 1950's. I bought my CE Special XX in the CE Earlham St. shop in Sept. 1961. It had been refretted and refurbished prior to the sale to me. It would be a fair assumption that this work was done in 1961. The number stamped on the rear of the peghead is 1763, but this number doesn't appear to be the same font as 1671 stamped on the Weaver in the…</p>
<p>John.....You may well be correct, but I'd be interested in the evidence you have to show that the CE Co. numbered repairs and restorations in the 1950's. I bought my CE Special XX in the CE Earlham St. shop in Sept. 1961. It had been refretted and refurbished prior to the sale to me. It would be a fair assumption that this work was done in 1961. The number stamped on the rear of the peghead is 1763, but this number doesn't appear to be the same font as 1671 stamped on the Weaver in the photo above.</p>
<p>I'll attempt to contact a repair-person I used to know who apprenticed in the CE Workshop in the early 1960's under Marco Roccia. If I can locate him, he may have details of any repair-numbering system that might have been used.<br/> <br/> <cite>John Cohen said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/weaver-banjo-serial-number?xg_source=activity#2667446Comment126335"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Clem is incorrect- Clifford Essex did number repairs and restorations on the back of the peghead in the 1950s, and that’s what the number on yours is.</div>
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