Learning to Read Sheet Music - Classic-Banjo2024-03-29T11:30:05Zhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/learning-to-read-sheet-music?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A128555&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYes the chords can be hard to…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2018-03-03:2667446:Comment:1285552018-03-03T21:47:48.465ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>Yes the chords can be hard to read, especially in Cammeyer banjo solos. So the first time I see a new page of dots I stop when I come to a chord (unless it's first position C major or F or G). and I work out what is meant. Next time I read through the piece I'll remember what each ink splotch represents. Much easier than tabbed chords though is letter/nunber symbols such as Eb7 or Am or C# dim etc, which can be hand written. Some banjo notation shows finger position, you know, as in Emil…</p>
<p>Yes the chords can be hard to read, especially in Cammeyer banjo solos. So the first time I see a new page of dots I stop when I come to a chord (unless it's first position C major or F or G). and I work out what is meant. Next time I read through the piece I'll remember what each ink splotch represents. Much easier than tabbed chords though is letter/nunber symbols such as Eb7 or Am or C# dim etc, which can be hand written. Some banjo notation shows finger position, you know, as in Emil Grimshaw. 213, 211, etc). It's helpful for fingering but it has the same disadvantage as tab: it does not inform the player of the harmonic intention of the composer, so a degree of musical meaning is lost to the student trying to learn a new piece. <br/> <br/> <cite>carrie horgan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/learning-to-read-sheet-music?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A128553&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment128554"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think the first book is available in both A and C but the other books are in A notation. However, there is a lot of individual pieces in C notation on this site. I think he had the knack of creating catchy melodies and so his music is a good choice for beginners. I would not describe myself as a beginner but I would like to become more proficient at reading music. I did that thing that Joel advised against of transcribing music notation to tab rather than sight-reading from the score. It's all the chords - I find it easier to read them in tab form. </p>
<p>Another book I would recommend is the Herbert Ellis Thorough School for the 5string banjo. </p>
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</blockquote> I think the first book is ava…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2018-03-03:2667446:Comment:1285542018-03-03T19:47:42.492Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>I think the first book is available in both A and C but the other books are in A notation. However, there is a lot of individual pieces in C notation on this site. I think he had the knack of creating catchy melodies and so his music is a good choice for beginners. I would not describe myself as a beginner but I would like to become more proficient at reading music. I did that thing that Joel advised against of transcribing music notation to tab rather than sight-reading from the score. …</p>
<p>I think the first book is available in both A and C but the other books are in A notation. However, there is a lot of individual pieces in C notation on this site. I think he had the knack of creating catchy melodies and so his music is a good choice for beginners. I would not describe myself as a beginner but I would like to become more proficient at reading music. I did that thing that Joel advised against of transcribing music notation to tab rather than sight-reading from the score. It's all the chords - I find it easier to read them in tab form. </p>
<p>Another book I would recommend is the Herbert Ellis Thorough School for the 5string banjo. </p>
<p> </p> I agree on all points--new th…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2018-03-03:2667446:Comment:1285532018-03-03T19:40:42.147ZCyndy Richardsonhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/CynthiaRichardson
<p>I agree on all points--new thread, focus on playing rather than reading, and that it would work to simply collaborate with each other through an open thread. The only thing that I feel strongly about is that people who participate should commit to sharing progress recordings in some way because everyone can learn from them and that people who respond should be supportive, pointing out positives as well as offering suggestions. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jody Stecher said:…</cite></p>
<p>I agree on all points--new thread, focus on playing rather than reading, and that it would work to simply collaborate with each other through an open thread. The only thing that I feel strongly about is that people who participate should commit to sharing progress recordings in some way because everyone can learn from them and that people who respond should be supportive, pointing out positives as well as offering suggestions. <br/> <br/> <cite>Jody Stecher said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/learning-to-read-sheet-music?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A128552&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2667446Comment128232"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Maybe it's time for a new thread on the subject of a Weidt study group as its own topic rather than as a subset of a thread about reading music. I assume that the Weidt study group would be about playing the banjo rather than primary about reading musical notation. Yes?</p>
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</blockquote> Maybe it's time for a new thr…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2018-03-03:2667446:Comment:1282322018-03-03T18:12:58.665ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>Maybe it's time for a new thread on the subject of a Weidt study group as its own topic rather than as a subset of a thread about reading music. I assume that the Weidt study group would be about playing the banjo rather than primary about reading musical notation. Yes?</p>
<p>Maybe it's time for a new thread on the subject of a Weidt study group as its own topic rather than as a subset of a thread about reading music. I assume that the Weidt study group would be about playing the banjo rather than primary about reading musical notation. Yes?</p> I thought we were talking abo…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2018-03-03:2667446:Comment:1285152018-03-03T18:10:15.942ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>I thought we were talking about the C notation Weidt book that Joel Hooks generously shared with us here a few days ago. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>carrie horgan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/learning-to-read-sheet-music?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A128514&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment128424"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm also interested - I love AJ Weidt - however, I think the books are in A notation rather than C (apart from the…</p>
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<p>I thought we were talking about the C notation Weidt book that Joel Hooks generously shared with us here a few days ago. <br/> <br/> <cite>carrie horgan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/learning-to-read-sheet-music?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A128514&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment128424"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm also interested - I love AJ Weidt - however, I think the books are in A notation rather than C (apart from the first one)? </p>
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</blockquote> 1) I just looked up "cohort"…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2018-03-03:2667446:Comment:1285522018-03-03T18:08:06.534ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>1) I just looked up "cohort" in the dictionary. All my life I have misunderstood its meaning. Your meaning is correct. It is a group.</p>
<p>I can't imagine there being more than one "cohort" for this project. Did you envision several? </p>
<p>2) you're welcome.</p>
<p>3) This site seems to be the primary internet and international focal point for classic banjo playing.</p>
<p> Compared to the millions of people interested in genealogy and the thousands of people interested in playing other…</p>
<p>1) I just looked up "cohort" in the dictionary. All my life I have misunderstood its meaning. Your meaning is correct. It is a group.</p>
<p>I can't imagine there being more than one "cohort" for this project. Did you envision several? </p>
<p>2) you're welcome.</p>
<p>3) This site seems to be the primary internet and international focal point for classic banjo playing.</p>
<p> Compared to the millions of people interested in genealogy and the thousands of people interested in playing other kinds of five-string banjo there are apparently only dozens of people in the world playing and learning this kind of banjo music. </p>
<p>If there were enough participants to form a study group (or cohort) wouldn't that be a large percent of the total of possible participants? What would be the advantage of doing this project out of sight of those who visit this site and don't wish to participate? What would be the disadvantage of having non-participants comment? These are genuine questions, I am naive about all this and really don't know. </p>
<p><br/> <cite>Cynthia Richardson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/learning-to-read-sheet-music?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A128423&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment128423"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>1) I meant "cohort" as a group of students working together.</p>
<p>2) Thanks!</p>
<p>3) My vision is pretty simple. Take the book, divide it up into reasonable assignments, and create a schedule for ourselves.. I'm diligent, but I'm busy so I would like the pace to be quick enough to be satisfying but slow enough to feel relaxed.</p>
<p>Create a message thread at the beginning of each assignment so that the music can be discussed as needed/as desired. Each participant would post a best-effort recording or video of that assignment by a determined due date, mostly for accountability. (Perfection isn't the goal.) And, doing that would need to be a given. It wouldn't work if people didn't take it seriously enough to meet the deadlines.</p>
<p>In ProGen, fellow students then offer positive feedback and a suggestion or two for improvement without using the word "you" and, for genealogy, at least, it's been a really helpful thing. (It's surprising how much easier it is to hear something like "Try to sound the pull-off a little louder" than "You should really make that pull-off louder.)</p>
<p>The cycle would be repeated until the book had been completed.</p>
<p>I think the resulting thread might be useful to anyone who was beginning to work through the book at a later date.</p>
<p>But the challenge of making it an open thread on the site would be that people who weren't part of the group would have a chance to chime in. I can see where that might be helpful but there's really something unique about working together as a group--having a sense of belonging to a group of like-minded people who are working toward the same goal--that might be lost in that way.</p>
<p>So, that said, maybe it wouldn't be a good fit to do something like that here?</p>
<p>Still, definitely worth pondering!</p>
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</blockquote> Yes, I noticed the A notation…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2018-03-03:2667446:Comment:1285142018-03-03T17:57:50.178ZCyndy Richardsonhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/CynthiaRichardson
<p>Yes, I noticed the A notation when I looked last night. I'm new to this so I have a lot to learn. Was it published in A and C or did someone create a C version of the first book? I'm open to learning from both as it seems like they're both important?<br></br> <br></br> <cite>carrie horgan said:…</cite></p>
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<p>Yes, I noticed the A notation when I looked last night. I'm new to this so I have a lot to learn. Was it published in A and C or did someone create a C version of the first book? I'm open to learning from both as it seems like they're both important?<br/> <br/> <cite>carrie horgan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/learning-to-read-sheet-music?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A128424&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2667446Comment128424"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm also interested - I love AJ Weidt - however, I think the books are in A notation rather than C (apart from the first one)? </p>
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</blockquote> I'm also interested - I love…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2018-03-03:2667446:Comment:1284242018-03-03T17:54:55.549Zcarrie horganhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/carriehorgan
<p>I'm also interested - I love AJ Weidt - however, I think the books are in A notation rather than C (apart from the first one)? </p>
<p>I'm also interested - I love AJ Weidt - however, I think the books are in A notation rather than C (apart from the first one)? </p> 1) I meant "cohort" as a grou…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2018-03-03:2667446:Comment:1284232018-03-03T16:22:02.959ZCyndy Richardsonhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/CynthiaRichardson
<p>1) I meant "cohort" as a group of students working together.</p>
<p>2) Thanks!</p>
<p>3) My vision is pretty simple. Take the book, divide it up into reasonable assignments, and create a schedule for ourselves.. I'm diligent, but I'm busy so I would like the pace to be quick enough to be satisfying but slow enough to feel relaxed.</p>
<p>Create a message thread at the beginning of each assignment so that the music can be discussed as needed/as desired. Each participant would post a…</p>
<p>1) I meant "cohort" as a group of students working together.</p>
<p>2) Thanks!</p>
<p>3) My vision is pretty simple. Take the book, divide it up into reasonable assignments, and create a schedule for ourselves.. I'm diligent, but I'm busy so I would like the pace to be quick enough to be satisfying but slow enough to feel relaxed.</p>
<p>Create a message thread at the beginning of each assignment so that the music can be discussed as needed/as desired. Each participant would post a best-effort recording or video of that assignment by a determined due date, mostly for accountability. (Perfection isn't the goal.) And, doing that would need to be a given. It wouldn't work if people didn't take it seriously enough to meet the deadlines.</p>
<p>In ProGen, fellow students then offer positive feedback and a suggestion or two for improvement without using the word "you" and, for genealogy, at least, it's been a really helpful thing. (It's surprising how much easier it is to hear something like "Try to sound the pull-off a little louder" than "You should really make that pull-off louder.)</p>
<p>The cycle would be repeated until the book had been completed.</p>
<p>I think the resulting thread might be useful to anyone who was beginning to work through the book at a later date.</p>
<p>But the challenge of making it an open thread on the site would be that people who weren't part of the group would have a chance to chime in. I can see where that might be helpful but there's really something unique about working together as a group--having a sense of belonging to a group of like-minded people who are working toward the same goal--that might be lost in that way.</p>
<p>So, that said, maybe it wouldn't be a good fit to do something like that here?</p>
<p>Still, definitely worth pondering!</p>
<p></p> 1) What is the difference, if…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2018-03-03:2667446:Comment:1285132018-03-03T06:42:25.261ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>1) What is the difference, if any, between a student and a cohort? </p>
<p>2) I'll give advice right now: ignore the hand written markings in the copy that Joel posted. The ones I can understand are neither correct translations of the conventional banjo symbols given in the notation nor viable alternatives nor sensible guesses about right hand fingering when none is given in the text.</p>
<p>3) my interest in being part of this project was based on the idea that the project would be via…</p>
<p>1) What is the difference, if any, between a student and a cohort? </p>
<p>2) I'll give advice right now: ignore the hand written markings in the copy that Joel posted. The ones I can understand are neither correct translations of the conventional banjo symbols given in the notation nor viable alternatives nor sensible guesses about right hand fingering when none is given in the text.</p>
<p>3) my interest in being part of this project was based on the idea that the project would be via this website. I saw it as something to keep things lively around here. Does that accord with your vision?<br/> <br/> <cite>Cynthia Richardson said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/learning-to-read-sheet-music?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A128230&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment128230"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Hi Jody.</p>
<p>In the ProGen study group I've been a part of, the students do the work, tackling assignments, offering each other feedback, and chatting about experiences with the most recent assignment, but each cohort has a mentor who occasionally offers wisdom and advice. </p>
<p>If you were up for joining a group and serving in that role, we might be well on our way to giving it a try.</p>
<p>We could try working through the first book, not only working on the music, but figuring out a collaborative study process that might work going forward.</p>
<p>I'm swamped right now -- in Salt Lake City for a genealogy conference -- but I'd be ready to get started in a few weeks. I am, by the way, practicing hard at our booth. Mostly clawhammer, but I spent a good bit of time on Kaloola today. :)</p>
<p>Cyndy</p>
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