Charlie Rogers - Classic-Banjo2024-03-29T05:21:58Zhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/charlie-rogers?feed=yes&xn_auth=noOr was this an obscure joke a…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2016-07-22:2667446:Comment:1150942016-07-22T23:19:23.359ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>Or was this an obscure joke about americans? "so USA" could mean "very american". Probably not. I was left wondering how someone comes to believe that "So" is an American Indian name. I invest-a-migated. And here's what I found:</p>
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<p>The original false rumor was not that he was named John Philip So but rather John Philipso (rhymes with Calypso?) to which he added USA, meaning United States of America. It was a publicity stunt. How the American Indian part got added remains a…</p>
<p>Or was this an obscure joke about americans? "so USA" could mean "very american". Probably not. I was left wondering how someone comes to believe that "So" is an American Indian name. I invest-a-migated. And here's what I found:</p>
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<p>The original false rumor was not that he was named John Philip So but rather John Philipso (rhymes with Calypso?) to which he added USA, meaning United States of America. It was a publicity stunt. How the American Indian part got added remains a mystery.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dws.org/sousa/learn/questions/item/so-u-s-a" target="_blank">http://www.dws.org/sousa/learn/questions/item/so-u-s-a</a></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 2em;">SO-U-S-A </span></p>
<div class="pos-content"><div class="element element-textarea first"><div>Q: I heard a story that Sousa was really an immigrant named John Philipso but because his steamer trunk was labeled "John Philipso, U.S.A.", he changed his name to SOUSA. Is this true?</div>
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<div class="element element-textarea last"><div>A: Not true. There are several versions still floating around, all based on rumors that he added the U-S-A to his last name out of sheer patriotism. This is, however, false. Sousa's father was the immigrant, and Sousa (or Souza, or De Sousa) is a well-known Portuguese family name. The story was started by the Sousa Band's manager as a publicity stunt during one of the band's European tours, and it still endures nearly 80 years after Sousa's death.</div>
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<p><a href="http://www.dws.org/sousa/learn/questions/item/so-u-s-a" target="_blank">http://www.dws.org/sousa/learn/questions/item/so-u-s-a</a></p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Jody Stecher said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://classic-banjo.ning.com/forum/topics/charlie-rogers?commentId=2667446%3AComment%3A115181&xg_source=activity#2667446Comment115181"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>From coast to coast in the USA there were and are bands of Native American musicians who play the music of John Philip Sousa and who specialize in this repertoire. It's been going on for a long time. But that doesn't make the composer an Indian. Sousa is a Portuguese name. JPS was not an American Indian. JPS's father was Portuguese born in Spain and his mother was born in Bavaria. His father played trombone in the Marine Band of the USA in the mid 19th century. I don't think there were any Native Americans doing that in the 1850s. Where in the world did Bailey get the idea about "So"? Oh! I know. Maybe he was actually a sheep. His sheep name was Ba and he added the iley to make his name prettier. Of course this is iley unlikely to be true, but then perhaps Ba wrote this article in an election year when speaking and printing unlikely and untrue things is the custom.</p>
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</blockquote> From coast to coast in the US…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2016-07-22:2667446:Comment:1151812016-07-22T20:10:01.467ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>From coast to coast in the USA there were and are bands of Native American musicians who play the music of John Philip Sousa and who specialize in this repertoire. It's been going on for a long time. But that doesn't make the composer an Indian. Sousa is a Portuguese name. JPS was not an American Indian. JPS's father was Portuguese born in Spain and his mother was born in Bavaria. His father played trombone in the Marine Band of the USA in the mid 19th century. I don't think there were any…</p>
<p>From coast to coast in the USA there were and are bands of Native American musicians who play the music of John Philip Sousa and who specialize in this repertoire. It's been going on for a long time. But that doesn't make the composer an Indian. Sousa is a Portuguese name. JPS was not an American Indian. JPS's father was Portuguese born in Spain and his mother was born in Bavaria. His father played trombone in the Marine Band of the USA in the mid 19th century. I don't think there were any Native Americans doing that in the 1850s. Where in the world did Bailey get the idea about "So"? Oh! I know. Maybe he was actually a sheep. His sheep name was Ba and he added the iley to make his name prettier. Of course this is iley unlikely to be true, but then perhaps Ba wrote this article in an election year when speaking and printing unlikely and untrue things is the custom.</p> I don't have anything. I did…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2016-07-22:2667446:Comment:1151782016-07-22T18:57:43.091ZJoel Hookshttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/deuceswilde
<p>I don't have anything. I did like RTB(jr?)'s comment about "Mr. So" adding U.S.A to make his name "prettier." </p>
<p>I don't have anything. I did like RTB(jr?)'s comment about "Mr. So" adding U.S.A to make his name "prettier." </p> Hi Anthony, I have looked thr…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2016-07-22:2667446:Comment:1152822016-07-22T18:31:21.944Zthereallynicemanhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/thereallyniceman
<p>Hi Anthony, I have looked through my records and cannot confirm, 100%, Roger's year of birth. In the 1966 BMG article below, mathematics suggests that: in 1907 the famous photo of Rogers was published in the BMG, showing him as a sixteen year old. 1907 - 16 = 1891. (but it may have been taken before 1907)</p>
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<p>BUT in this extract from Winans and Kaufman it…</p>
<p>Hi Anthony, I have looked through my records and cannot confirm, 100%, Roger's year of birth. In the 1966 BMG article below, mathematics suggests that: in 1907 the famous photo of Rogers was published in the BMG, showing him as a sixteen year old. 1907 - 16 = 1891. (but it may have been taken before 1907)</p>
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<p>BUT in this extract from Winans and Kaufman it suggests that in 1903 Rogers was 17 years old </p>
<p> (1903 - 17 = 1886):</p>
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<p>Anthony, I hope that you can find confirmed details so that I can confirm/correct the biography</p>
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<p>Below is a Podcast produced some time ago by our friend Hal Allert and is one of many worth a listen on his classicbanjo.com website. ( I hope Hal does not mind me posting this here!)</p>
<div style="margin: 20px auto; background-color: #fef2cf; padding: 5px 0px 5px 10px; width: 380px;"><div class="iframe_player" id="./files/SITEPOSTS/Charlie Rogers Program.mp3"><strong>Hal Allert’s Podcast about Charlie Rogers</strong></div>
</div> re question 3, on the Charlie…tag:classic-banjo.ning.com,2016-07-22:2667446:Comment:1150892016-07-22T17:05:53.269ZJody Stecherhttps://classic-banjo.ning.com/profile/JodyStecher
<p>re question 3, on the Charlie Rogers page of this website there is a photo of what seems to be his trunk from the days when he was a member of The Royal Pierrots of Clifford Essex. And on it, in gold letters, os painted the name "Charles". As mysterious as any detail about C Rogers is the question of what makes a Pierrot royal. Here is the photo:…</p>
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<p>re question 3, on the Charlie Rogers page of this website there is a photo of what seems to be his trunk from the days when he was a member of The Royal Pierrots of Clifford Essex. And on it, in gold letters, os painted the name "Charles". As mysterious as any detail about C Rogers is the question of what makes a Pierrot royal. Here is the photo:</p>
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