I've been working on this one for a while. Took longer than usual...not an easy piece to input.

This is from the CE sheets, a little like the Ossman recordings but really only close. Ossman simplifies some of the 'raggety bits' and complicates others. Also, some of this arrangement appears to have been taken from the 1904 version and some from the 1890's version (recordings). Ossman made several recordings of it...at least one of the later versions deletes the last part (in F) entirely.

I hope y'all enjoy it!

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You are right about the chord sequences for these two similar, but different tunes. I'd forgotten that the last few measures of ACLATM in the Ragtime Medley are different, mainly because I've never really played the Ragtime Medley and just assumed that the next to last tune in ABOR, was ACLATM, but I now see that it is different. Will we ever know the answer? Another thing, Ossman plays a shortened version of ABOR recorded on the 21st January 1901, http://www.loc.gov/jukebox/recordings/detail/id/8518/ which has a catchy little tune which starts at 1.48, which I've not come across before, do you know what this tune is called?

Shawn McSweeny said:

Hi Richard  

Your info on medley titles from Doc Thornburgh has been really helpful. I was able to locate original source material for all of them. But I still have trouble with the second last strain which Thornburgh identifies as 'All Coons Look Alike To Me' (Chorus).

The first few measures of the strain certainly do sound the same as Ossman's playing on the Len Spencer recording. But the later measures do not. And comparing the chord progressions for the last 8 measures, they are not the same.

 For the Spencer recording, the chord progression by measure is :

 /G  /G  /C  /C  /G  /G /C /C /

 /G  /G  /C  /C  /A  /Dm /CG/C /

And in Ossman's "Ragtime Medley" this strain has the same progression, only transposed to key of F/Bb. So Ossman knew this piece inside out.

 

For the "Bunch of Rags" strain, the progression is :

/G  /G  /C  /C  /G  /G /C /C /

 /A  /A  /Dm  /Dm  /C  /CG /C/C /

The differing measures are highlighted in bold type. Similar musical idea, but not the same.

It's possible Ossman was just toying with the original structure to add more interest, but it is also possible he was playing a strain from another popular song of the day, which has yet to be identified.

The LOC recording notes mention "I guess I'll Have to Telegraph My Baby" as one of the medley tunes...and it does sound like he quotes the chorus briefly...but then segues right back to ABOR.

Hi Richard

Unless/until a better answer surfaces, maybe title the strain "ACLATM variant". 

Thanks for pointing out the BoR recording with its catchy alternate strain. I haven't come across this tune before.

 

 

A clip is uploaded below. Maybe someone else will recognize it.

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Listen to this, beginning at 1:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc2MelP6FPc

Hi Marc    The youtube video is not available to me.

I think Richard and I both agree the chorus to Telegraph My Baby is the final strain of the piece, running from measure 99 to the end on your score.  Richard and I were discussing the strain before ( measures 83 to 98 on your score).

Below is a list of titles and an audio compilation of the bits that make up Ossman's BoR. Most of the clips are from early recordings : (Where titles are abbreviated, they can be found in the above discussion).

 

Strains 1 & 2 ( Meas. 1 to 50) :"When You Ain't Got No Money, You Needn't Come 'Round " sung by May Irwin 1907 (Verse &  Chorus).

Strain 3  ( Meas. 51 to 66) : "I Wonder What is That etc" also third strain. Piano. This occurs in the Jerome BoR as well.

Strain 4 ( Meas. 67 to 82) : "Darktown is Out Tonight", chorus sung by The Mississippi Minstrels, 1912.

Strain 5 ( Meas. 83 to 98) :"ACLATM variant" partial clip of Ossman from another recording.

Strain 6 ( Meas. 99 to end) : "I Guess I'll Have to Telegraph My Baby", chorus sung by The Mississippi Minstrels 1912.

 

Hopefully the file is here :

 

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I was responding to Richards 'unknown' that begins at 1:48 of the LOC recording he linked to...which is (I think) the chorus to "I Guess I'll Have to Telegraph My Baby". The video is simply a modern ragtime orchestra version.

You've got me confused enough. I'll leave it to y'all.

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